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Message: [QUOTE="primrose, post: 7017711, member: 1036998"] This was a big hand I've played yesterday. I didn't know either villain (p1 or p2) before the day, and for p1 this was literally the first hand they've played on the table. Casino, [I][COLOR=#1515FC]Hold'em No Limit[/COLOR][/I] - §2/§4 (where § = €) - 9 players [URL='https://www.cardschat.com/replayer?hand=72CZWku9c']Replay this hand on CardsChat[/URL] xx (UTG): §20 (5 bb) xxx (UTG+1): §20 (5 bb) xxxx (MP): §2,000 (500 bb) xxxxx (MP+1): §20 (5 bb) [B][COLOR=#C4302B]me (LP): §900 (225 bb)[/COLOR][/B] xxxxxx (CO): §20 (5 bb) xxxxxxx (BU): §20 (5 bb) [B][COLOR=#C4302B]p1 (SB): §1,100 (275 bb)[/COLOR][/B] p2 (BB): §500 (125 bb) [B]Pre-Flop:[/B] (§6) Hero (me) is LP with 4[COLOR=#000000]♠[/COLOR] 4[COLOR=#FF0000]♥[/COLOR] [COLOR=#666666][I]4 players fold[/I][/COLOR], [B][COLOR=#C51F1F]me (LP) raises to §14[/COLOR][/B], [COLOR=#666666][I]2 players fold[/I][/COLOR], p1 (SB) calls §12, p2 (BB) calls §10 [B]Flop:[/B] (§42) K[COLOR=#008000]♣[/COLOR] 4[COLOR=#0000FF]♦[/COLOR] 8[COLOR=#FF0000]♥[/COLOR] [COLOR=#009B00](3 players)[/COLOR] p1 (SB) checks, [COLOR=#C51F1F]p2 (BB) bets §30[/COLOR], [B]me (LP) calls §30[/B], p1 (SB) calls §30 [B]Turn:[/B] (§132) T[COLOR=#0000FF]♦[/COLOR] [COLOR=#009B00](3 players)[/COLOR] p1 (SB) checks, p2 (BB) checks, [B][COLOR=#C51F1F]me (LP) bets §60[/COLOR][/B], [COLOR=#C51F1F]p1 (SB) raises to §180[/COLOR], [COLOR=#666666][I]p2 (BB) folds[/I][/COLOR], [B]me (LP) calls §120 River:[/B] (§492) A[COLOR=#FF0000]♥[/COLOR] [COLOR=#009B00](2 players)[/COLOR] [COLOR=#C51F1F]p1 (SB) bets §500[/COLOR] On the Flop, well someone donked into me, the board is dry and I have position, so I just call. On the Turn, p2 no longer leads, so I lead instead. I get raised; I'm in position and the board is still pretty dry, so I call rather than re-raising. On the River... well, the hands that beat me are 88, TT, KK, AA, and QJ. I think AA and KK 3bet preflop, so I'm mostly discounting them. 88 and TT are possible. QJ seemed not super likely because of the call on the Flop. So can I put my opponent on 88 and TT enough to justify a fold, given that they'd have to beat me 2/3 of the time? I thought about it a bit, but decided that no, I can't. The person could just be value betting a strong two pair. AK would make perfect sense. AT would also make sense. But also like, K8, or even 84; I don't know this player, and people could be doing all sorts of weird things. It didn't seem all that close to me, so I only thought for a few minutes and then made the call. What do you think? Is this call justified, or do you fold the bottom set? [SPOILER]Villain had Q[COLOR=#0000FF]♦[/COLOR]J[COLOR=#0000FF]♦[/COLOR] for the nuts[/SPOILER] [/QUOTE]

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