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Message: [QUOTE="canbora, post: 6897278, member: 9538"] LOL,... OK, see, you get me. This is my mindset, philosophy, and MOA. I took a total break, came back, went back to not only to my jam (MTT PKO's), but my specific favorite one. I got 5th out of 197 entries, did it again tonight. 176 entries I got 12th. Won bounties and place money. I've of course done this countless other times as well as actually won first place in this particular tourney. I have much to learn master Obi Wan, but I dont think I'm a noob idiot either (I know, i know, classic Dunning-Kreuger self evaluation). Saying that to say this.... After this, I went to the cash tables to several hundred hands, as a hybrid to do my usual recreation play and to further this experiment. I got effing coolered so hard so many times. I'm not whining, its poker. But I lost nearly 3 stacks in less than 38 hands. Like, having the third nuts "we're heads up, what are the chances they have the absolute nuts?" They had them. Or preflop raise battle. I had AK suited. In a cash game we all know what GTO says about AK suited, its like in the top quadrant of hands. Its like number 3. Its always a raise, reraise, call all in - hand. You never fold it. Theres only one hand that truly has it in full trouble, AA.........what did bro have? AA. I could go on. Point is..........that simply IS the point. As I've already stated, people dont HAVE to do anything. And since everyone is a TAG / nit ( i see little difference) no one wants to play unless they have monsters. Like,[B][SIZE=5] no one 3 bets[/SIZE][/B] unless they have top hands. Its just so boring. Like, I didn't come here to fold for three hours. So in reality. people on average are BETTER players, but few are actually GOOD players. The betting system is thrown off. People would rather limp in or small raise and call. Then bet the pot, rather than raise it up preflop and bet half pot. As you stated getting married to their hand. I call it panic betting. It triggers fight or flight. Because they dont know what to do when they're K 10 offsuit hits top pair and you call the flop pot bet. They didnt WANT you to call that pot bet. Its more powerful psychologically to call a pot bet even thuogh the moneys problem the same at this point. So what do they do? they fire agian, they're just clicking the "bet pot" button. And you can believe theyll do it again on the river. Three streets of full pot bets. Now you're all in. Unless you truly do have a monster and you feel your V will call......where is there any sense in doing that? There are some, but few circumstances that would warrant such a betting pattern. So what do I devise? Well.. if everyone overfolds. Take advantage, steal!! So i do!! Huge steal rate. Ok, thats covered. What about MY monster hands? Get what little value I can cuz I'm not going to get crap. Ok... thats fine, but thats still not much. How do I take advantage of this HUGE and OBVIOUS leak of them panic betting? call small to margainal bets. I made a promise to myself that I will ALWAYS call any bet that I have odds for. And thats how I figured out, thats how you break these guys when they go flight or fight with their top pair they cant lay down. You smack bottom two pair. As far as I'm concerned being in button or later with 8 10, or j 10 is a monster. (ever see those memes with premium hands and the person is frowning, but they see 89 suited and they smile? thats me) 6 people calling a min raise and Im in the BB with 35 suited? Sure, I'll call 1 blind to win 12 minimum. flop comes 3 k 5. They hit top pair with their k 10, cant lay it down, I call them down as we get just heads up, the other 4 fold. I crack them. Happend just the other day. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Edit: I just reread that. What I said sounds sorty bad-ish, but I dont want to change it either. I want to be clear. Despite what it sounds I'm not dumping on cash games or any people. good for all those people that got paid for their monster hands. I bet they were thrilled and had a great time. And If others enjoy this I'm glad. And if you've figured it out, then ill be honest. You're probably better and smarter than me. As I've stated before, I'm ahead... i just cant give myself any credit. I feel like I should be WAYYYY more ahead from what I see of others. Meaning, i'm not very good. Ahead, but not good. So good for yall that are killing. But what I do know is I went back to my "old girlfirned'... tournies. And I loved it. It was fun and intersting, and I did well. It was challenging. And its nice to get the bigger payouts too. [/QUOTE]

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