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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6866257, member: 305911"] I'll start with what others have said that the 4 bet should be smaller. In live play I feel that our raises and re raises can and should be smaller than when playing online due to people heroing you less live than online. Its the factor that if theyre wrong that everyone sees their face and they are not anonymous like they are online. Thats my opinion anyway so if we 4 bet I would be making it 60 or 65. The flop is really bad for our hand imo. Yes we have the gutter with a 10 and a backdoor but unless we think HJ is really loose, their calling range here is either hands like JJ+ or its AK, AQ, or AJ. Pretty much all else live, unless you have seen something to show otherwise being at the table with this player, will fold to a 4 bet the size that you make it. Especially if you have not been 3 or 4 betting often as you say in your post you havent been. This flop hits all the hands that were behind you pre (like this AJ for instance) and all the hands that were in front of you are still ahead of you. For your jam to work here you would need villain to think you have a set or that they fold their sliver range of AJ (which we know thats what they actually had but its not a huge part of their range). Otherwise, they are calling here. If we had a set would we always jam here on the flop even with a SPR of less than one and two spades? I dont know, online I damn sure would be but live, people are more scared as I said and I think it folds out some stuff we wouldnt want to fold like AJ if we were to actually have a set here. I think betting smaller on this flop to make it look like you have the nuts and dont want a fold might get the fold you are looking for more often vs jamming. Its counter intuitive but also depends on the villain. As far as villain is concerned, I dont think this is a snap call as they do and live it surprises me a bit but if AJ isnt folding here than not much is so I wouldnt jam for other reasons but against this opponent it will never work as a bluff. This flop texture just would have scared me a lot and the 4 bet should have been smaller too. As what was said above, if our 4 bet is this much of our stack we are better just getting it in pre. As played after I see the flop, I would just hate it and be looking for a way to get out if I could which is tough when our stack is already half in. [/QUOTE]

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