$200 NL HE 6-max:

[fullorfold]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Stakes

$1/$2

Table Format

6-max (6 seats)

VP$IP

21

PFR

15

AF

3

Currency

$

Villain Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 21/15/3
Hello,

I'm new to forum so I say greetings to you all. I am truly fascinated by this game (poker texas holdem) and i play daily and try to get around 300k hand per year or so in volume.
Well today i got myself involved in this hand:



My question is pretty basic but its really a nice spot for arguments i guess so my thoughts was simply. Preflop pretty standard limp call i guess? (or do we have a leak already here? XD) I mean table was pretty soft with low 3 bet ratio so im not concerned this will get 3 bet and if it is, i say GG WP to the squeeze play. Besides im pretty tight myself ( VP 12 / PRF 8 this session) people don't tend to 3 bet if limping with these stats, hehe. Well anyway...

Flop pretty standard i guess. But turn is the interesting part!!! Is my call really bad here or is it actually EV+? its so many factors here, i really feel like the player behind vill call behind me so i get the correct price to call here i think? We are obviously very deep all three and if i get another heart out there im confident i could bet like 40-70% pot and still get called by at least one of them. I know Ace on river is no good so my equity is exactly 18%?

Well i just want to hear you thoughts on the hand, i got really intrigued by it

Oh yeah can i somehow make PT4 show stats on all players? it be easier for you guys as well to see all stats i guess to analyze correctly.

Edit: WOOOOPS.... stakes is 1/2 not 100/200 sry about that....

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Calling here is sort of marginal, because you still have 4 players left to act behind you. I think, some cash game players would argue, that we should not even have a calling range until BTN, and that everything should be a 3-bet or fold from HJ and CO. I plugged the spot into GTO Wizard, and using a 3-bet or fold strategy A7s is a very partial 3-bet. Meaning sometimes we play the hand to have a more diverse range, but mostly we fold it.

Flop
BB now leads, which is a donk bet, and with the nut flushdraw the only options are clearly to call or raise. You can mix it up and do a little bit of both.

Turn
If BB calls, which he did, you are almost getting direct odds to draw, so I think, folding the nut flushdraw on an unpaired board would be way to tight. In theory BB could check-raise, which would not be great, but I think, thats a very low probability event. If he wanted to do that, he would most likely have done it on the flop instead of donk leading the flop and then check-raising a brick turn.

What this looks more like to me is some sort of medium strong hand, that donk lead the flop to "find out where he is", and when he then get 2 callers, he slows down on the turn. Or maybe a draw that bricked and does not want to bet again and risk getting raised. So yeah. I definitely call here. I dont want to raise though, because I want to keep dominated draws involved, and you also have much less equity with only one card to come.

Conclusion
I have to say, that the whole action here seems quite fishy including the 3BB open size, the broken stack in SB, 4 players to the flop and then a donk bet. It looks more like a 2NL hand (blinds of 1c/2c) to me, so please clarify which stakes you are actually playing here. And if it really is 200NL, then my advice is to strongly consider moving down and building a track record at lower limits first.

Maybe starting at something like 10NL and not moving up, until you have won at least 3.000 BB at each limit. Your questions indicate to me, you are relatively new to the game, and then you are most likely going to get absolutely crushed at 200NL. Even Doug Polk began his poker career in the micros, and so did many other successfull online players as well.

 

[fullorfold]

Thanks for good answer.

Really A7s is a fold? Ofc its early position to call lot of people behind that could 4-bet and force me out from the hand. But my VPIP is very low. I dont think i would have more then 8 % vpip if I folded hands like this. And that is to tight IMO. I try to think always about position and aggresion (always better to 3 bet then flat call) But in this specifik hand its more like burning away money if i 3-bet and some one else 4 bet. Besides the table was pretty passive preflop and players didn't 3 bet as often as they should so i felt confident i would most likely se a flop.

I totaly agree if only new players in table i would fold this tho. But i was mostly wondering about the turn call.

I'm not new to game but i started taking it serious in the middle of the last year when i bought PT4, this is last years results over 100k hands (from june):




I feel that i have improved a lot. This year im pretty sure my VPIP and PRF /3 bet is closer between them. Hence I reckoned I cold called to much.

It's 200NL I play, actually this hand could have been 100NL when i think about it. Thanks for the concern but I don't mind sit at this stakes my BR is 70 buy in. I'm probably should go up in stakes but i have still much to learn as you reckoned. I Know this to, therefore im still grinding 100/200.

Thanks again for all input Apprecierad and very good thoughts about the hand and good points.

 

[fundiver199]

Really A7s is a fold? Ofc its early position to call lot of people behind that could 4-bet and force me out from the hand.

Its a standard raise first in from any seat at 6-max, but when there is already action in front of us, we are supposed to play less hands. The issue is, you are against a relatively tight range, that often dominate you on A high boards, and you have 2 players behind, who can either squeeze or take position on you. For the latter reason calling on BTN is better than calling from HJ, even though its still an UTG open.

 

[fullorfold]

Its a standard raise first in from any seat at 6-max, but when there is already action in front of us, we are supposed to play less hands. The issue is, you are against a relatively tight range, that often dominate you on A high boards, and you have 2 players behind, who can either squeeze or take position on you. For the latter reason calling on BTN is better than calling from HJ, even though its still an UTG open.

Yes, but we are still very deep stacked here. And i never from the beginning of the hand (when UTG opens) think my ace is good here. I only call because we are deep and i want flush or like a dream flop containing 77X or 568 to continue an A on flop would be cautiously played. (UTG actually had AQ)

Ok but deep or not, you think fold is correct here pre?

I just don't see problem here... so ok i call HJ if someone 4 bet i just fold? if not i get to see a jucie flop like we did in this hand with ´potential to scoope a 400+BB pot.

 

[amonlima]

With your easy call stack range on the turn, in the pre I think both the call and the 3bet are good, it will depend on the villain, but in this 200bbs deep stack range I think it's better to play flat.

 

[Station_Master]

Is this 1c/2c or $1/$2? Action seems more like 1c/2c. Also is it an ante table as everyone is deep?
I would just fold pre but as played its a clear contine on the turn (call or raise both fine)

 

[fundiver199]

Yes, but we are still very deep stacked here.

Yeah I kind of missed that, when I looked at the GTO Wizard solution for preflop. With 200BB stacks GTO Wizard does have a calling range from HJ. A7s is however not played as a call but as a partial 3-bet. Meaning something like 60% of the time fold and 40% of the time 3-bet. Only the best suited wheel aces (A4s and A5s) are called a sliver of the time. They give you a free daily simulation, so you should check this out yourself.

 

[fullorfold]

Yeah I kind of missed that, when I looked at the GTO Wizard solution for preflop. With 200BB stacks GTO Wizard does have a calling range from HJ. A7s is however not played as a call but as a partial 3-bet. Meaning something like 60% of the time fold and 40% of the time 3-bet. Only the best suited wheel aces (A4s and A5s) are called a sliver of the time. They give you a free daily simulation, so you should check this out yourself.

I would only consider to 3 bet A2-5s here (as a bluff) thanks to the extra low straight potential.