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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6101932, member: 305911"] Thanks for the detailed response and all your responses which I learn a lot from. Im still up in the air on things about this hand but I keep thinking about it (not because I lost its just I like thinking about hands). After I posted this yesterday I thought more and more and think just calling pre is correct. Then later after that Im thinking what would I do here with AA, KK, or QQ. With the pre 3 bet being 18 cents and we are deep I dont think I would ever flat there with AA or KK (I would raise to build the pot). QQ would be close for me and I guess I would be flatting in game but its close. If villain is a thinking player (its hard to tell at 2NL even with some hands with the villain), but lets just assume they are to have fun with this discussion, wouldnt they be able to know that my range is capped when I call and dont 4 bet? If they were on their game they would know QQ is my top here and could play accordingly. 4 betting is a bit of an overplay but is it worth it to have our perceived range be every big hand? If I 4 bet there is a decent chance a thinking player will fold QQ there thinking JJ would not 4 bet and I (the villain) have two Q blockers so going against QQ is highly unlikely. Really not sure on that and its why I keep doubting. I know when I see other hands like this on the forum I usually say call pre but questioning my move here since I am specifically UTG (should have a very string range) and of course then will be out of position. The turn I am also upset at myself over since when you mention with a bluff catcher and a draw we should call. I 100% agree but in this case the draw is much weaker than a normal OESD and bluffs with every barrel are becoming less likely (my opinion anyway I had in game which I still stand by). I dont think villain ever has KQ (AQ possible) since they would not 3 bet it and their hope of mine that they have AK dwindled when they double barreled. So I would think a K is still iffy for me if it came on the river and a club would make me at least hesitate because even if villain did have AK one of them is AK clubs. I really think the turn is a fold and thats where I really think I played the hand badly since it sets me up for some nasty reverse implied odds with the board already paired. Villain could already have the boat with QQ or 99 which I think are unlikely but possible (although not jamming river with either of those makes no sense so if I had to guess it wasnt one of those hands). My plan was to fold to a blank turn and the 9 sucked me in. I will agree though as time passes and I think about it more I did not play the hand as badly as I initially thought. Again thanks for your response and your top notch quality posts that I look forward to reading. [/QUOTE]

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