€2 NLHE 6-max: suicide bluff

[Jarud]

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I decided to run a bluff against a standard reg who i think is definitely capable of folding overpairs
on wet textures that favour my range, I held the 8c which i thought eliminated the chances of him holding clubs.
Anyways it didnt work out but i was jamming most rivers anyway.
any help? cheers.
Jarud

 

[eetenor]

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I decided to run a bluff against a standard reg who i think is definitely capable of folding overpairs
on wet textures that favour my range, I held the 8c which i thought eliminated the chances of him holding clubs.
Anyways it didnt work out but i was jamming most rivers anyway.
any help? cheers.
Jarud

Thank you for posting

Of course you know your villains best but as we see with this QTs open 88 is ahead of range. What is the frequency of 4 bets in your games? Does it suggest that V's are capping ranges often with 4 bets?

If so 88 is a good hand to 3 bet preflop as the villain will normally define their range at this stake level.

The V played their flush draw as expected at this level. The V did not represent range on the flop with 2 overs and the flush draw they just called your raise. The 8c is not enough of a blocker to eliminate flush draws Ac Kc Jc would be a much better blocker.

After the V calls turn the worst card for us is a club because the nuts change and if the V was still chasing with overs the 5c is even worse as now a standard V has 2 pair and 2 pair is a good hand head-up. So we get a lot of "ohhh well it's only $1.34-boom baby I knew you would play 88 like that.

Your thinking of stealing the pot is good your aggression is good but we cannot keep the V's range after the turn call to pairs only.

At this stake level I play make a hand and make them pay- as you see the V would have given you max value if you had the nut flush or a full house.

Hope this helps

 

[Jarud]

Thank you for posting

Of course you know your villains best but as we see with this QTs open 88 is ahead of range. What is the frequency of 4 bets in your games? Does it suggest that V's are capping ranges often with 4 bets?

If so 88 is a good hand to 3 bet preflop as the villain will normally define their range at this stake level.

The V played their flush draw as expected at this level. The V did not represent range on the flop with 2 overs and the flush draw they just called your raise. The 8c is not enough of a blocker to eliminate flush draws Ac Kc Jc would be a much better blocker.

After the V calls turn the worst card for us is a club because the nuts change and if the V was still chasing with overs the 5c is even worse as now a standard V has 2 pair and 2 pair is a good hand head-up. So we get a lot of "ohhh well it's only $1.34-boom baby I knew you would play 88 like that.

Your thinking of stealing the pot is good your aggression is good but we cannot keep the V's range after the turn call to pairs only.

At this stake level I play make a hand and make them pay- as you see the V would have given you max value if you had the nut flush or a full house.

Hope this helps

Thanks for your analysis,
Yes 4bets at my usual games tend to be heavily weighted towards AA-KK.
As you said I think I need to work on ranging my opponents better and how they can change as the hand progresses. 👍

 

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He had 14 clean outs on that flop to beat you and he hit one of them. That's a bummer for you, but I would recommend that you don't overvalue having 1 club in your hand as a blocker and a justification for barrelling off on that board.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
You need to defend 88 here, and I would look to mostly defend by 3-betting. Try to take it home right now and deny a lot of equity. Its ok to mix in a call now and then also, especially if this opponent had a tendency to not fold to 3-bets.

Flop
Once again you can either check-call or check-raise, and even leading would also be an option. Its an interesting spot, because you have a fairly strong hand, and you block the nuts, but your hand is also vulnerable. Other than a 7 or 8 there are no turn cards, you are really happy to see. I honestly dont know, what the "correct" play is here. I dont hate your check-raise, if he is C-betting to much, but it does feel like almost an overplay in some sense. He is never folding a better hand, so you are not bluffing, and as a value raise, its pretty thin. So I think, that if I just called preflop, I probably continue that line and just call now again.

Turn
Now you are turning your hand into a bluff, and I am not a big fan of this. You have a ton of different draws to choose from as bluffs, and the only hands, that want to bet for value now, are straights. So from a theoretical point of view you are bluffing way way to much, if you also put a hand like 88 into your bluffing range. Your hand play much better as a check-call, because you still block the nuts, and you have 4 outs to a straight.

River
I would not have seen the river this way, but once you painted yourself into this corner, I do agree with emptying the barrel on the river and try to get him to fold an overpair. I dont think, your hand still has showdown value after all this action, and you do have some relevant blockers to 98 as well as the flush.

Results
Unfortunately you ran into the top of his range, but this in itself does not make the river bluff bad. The way, you got to the river, could use some work and improvement though.