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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 5734261, member: 305911"] You may be right but I am not sure that would be overplaying their hand to be raising KQ here. There arent may times when hero has a straight though, you mention AJ and J9 which hero happens to have one but it is not likely from villains perspective, especially J9 with there being a pre flop raise. If I was playing this hand and I was villain I would not be putting the hero on AJ since most players when they flop the nuts dont bet pot (whether betting pot is right or wrong is a different discussion). If I am villain and this hand plays the way it does and I have KQ I am putting hero on something they like a lot but mostly it will be worse than my two pair if thats what I had. If they were to have AJ as in this instance then I might lose less by raising now and making the opponent (hero in this case) show their hand strength. Especially if on the flop as villain I think hero could have a lot of broadway Jx type hands that hit a pair and a draw and wont fold to my raise. So I do disagree that playing KQ with a raise on the flop if we are villain is overplaying our hand. You ask then what do we expect to get called by? I am interpreting this question as if we are hero and they dont have two pair what do we expect to be called by? My answer there would be the Jx broadway hands that made a straight, maybe Kx type hands like K8 if villain is capable of calling a small raise from the BB with them (K8 ish suited could fit here). I said in my original post that we bet pot on the turn with 4 to a straight and the villain calls as if they dont care about the straight. That does not rule out two pair that hit a boat but I think it does diminish the chances of that and increase the chance of the Jx hand that just made the straight. Betting on the river is really targeting those Jx broadway hands. Like I said in my original post I dont know it all as I can only range them as best I can with what I see in the hand. I would have never ever put them on JJ. [/QUOTE]

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