$2 NLHE 6-max: JJ on Q A 8 rainbow multiway

[Jamalex]

Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Can I bluff my medium pocket pairs here? I think I would check all queens and KK and my small Aces. And I can't really call a bet with JJ multiway in this hand. Is this a good hand to bluff flop multiway with? Turn feels like I could go either way.

MP: 105.5 BB
CO: 103.5 BB
BTN: 94 BB
SB: 119 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ J♣

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 7.5 BB, MP calls 6.5 BB, fold, SB calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (23.5 BB, 3 players) Q♥ A♦ 8♠
SB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, MP calls 8 BB, SB calls 8 BB

Turn: (47.5 BB, 3 players) T♦
SB checks, Hero bets 22.5 BB, fold, SB calls 22.5 BB

River: (92.5 BB, 2 players) J♠
SB bets 81 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 62 BB and is all-in

RESULTS ARE BELOW






































SB shows A♥ 2♥ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 32%, Flop 88%, Turn 77%)
Hero shows J♥ J♣ (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 68%, Flop 12%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins 206 BB

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
I like the big isolation raise with JJ.

Flop
This is one of the worst possible flops for JJ, and with two opponents in the hand I would typically just be looking to get to a cheap showdown, if they will allow me. Its kind of a way ahead way behind spot, where your hand dont need much protection, since the A and Q are already on the board. There is also no flushdraw, so the only really bad card for you is a K. And even that is not entirely bad, since it will give you a gutshot to the nuts. I check here all day long and hope, MP checks back.

Turn
You picked up a dubble gutshot, which is nice, but I still dont see betting doing a lot of good things. Better hands will generally call or raise, and most worse hands will generally fold. I get, what you mean, because your hand block KJ and J9, that turned a straight. But I just dont think, this matter, when they are going to call you with any pair + gutshot type hand or even just top pair no kicker, as the guy in fact did. Its a huge mistake trying to be balanced at 2NL. If a spot is not good for bluffing, then just bet for value. You are going to get called down anyway.

River
You improved to a set, but any K or 9 now has a straight, and the opponent donk shoves. I would fold in this spot, but I would never get to the river this way in the first place.

Results
So he had A2, and I guess, he made some tilted bluff on the river. This is pretty funky stuff, that you will see in the low end of the micros from time to time, but I dont think, any decision, you made in this hand, apart from raising preflop, is going to be long term profitable. Not even against a donkey like this. You got very lucky here to not only draw out on him postflop, but also that he made this spazz on the river paying you off.

 

[Jamalex]

Preflop
I like the big isolation raise with JJ.

Flop
This is one of the worst possible flops for JJ, and with two opponents in the hand I would typically just be looking to get to a cheap showdown, if they will allow me. Its kind of a way ahead way behind spot, where your hand dont need much protection, since the A and Q are already on the board. There is also no flushdraw, so the only really bad card for you is a K. And even that is not entirely bad, since it will give you a gutshot to the nuts. I check here all day long and hope, MP checks back.

Turn
You picked up a dubble gutshot, which is nice, but I still dont see betting doing a lot of good things. Better hands will generally call or raise, and most worse hands will generally fold. I get, what you mean, because your hand block KJ and J9, that turned a straight. But I just dont think, this matter, when they are going to call you with any pair + gutshot type hand or even just top pair no kicker, as the guy in fact did. Its a huge mistake trying to be balanced at 2NL. If a spot is not good for bluffing, then just bet for value. You are going to get called down anyway.

River
You improved to a set, but any K or 9 now has a straight, and the opponent donk shoves. I would fold in this spot, but I would never get to the river this way in the first place.

Results
So he had A2, and I guess, he made some tilted bluff on the river. This is pretty funky stuff, that you will see in the low end of the micros from time to time, but I dont think, any decision, you made in this hand, apart from raising preflop, is going to be long term profitable. Not even against a donkey like this. You got very lucky here to not only draw out on him postflop, but also that he made this spazz on the river paying you off.

I agree for sure I got very lucky here. In runout, opponents holding and of course the opponents actions. I may need to rethink my strategy for 2NL all together. It's like a circus of calling stations, maniac unpredictable fish and Nit's waiting for their chance to pounce. I may need to tighten up alot for a session or 2 and just bet for value for the most part. Possibly play more tables if I'm gonna Nit it up.

 

[Sidetracked]

PF iso raise is fine.

Once you get 2 callers on that flop, I would be shutting down. It isn't even as if there's a flush draw for people to be chasing.

 

[Alex_Ogienko]

In general, bluffing at NL2 is a bad idea.)) If you play JJ like this every time on these flops, you will quickly go broke.

 

[fletchdad]

I have not yet looked at the result.
I kinda like the PF, but it is a bit big, I would have (this is not really strategy, just how I would play it) probably gone around 5BB. This still keeps the same players in, and gets the same players out IMHO. Keeps the pot to a size that JJ likes.

Cbet too small otf. Since you made the pot so big with your PF, you are giving just about every hand you want to fold in with a bet this size.

Turn, meh.... I am either checking or c/r here, but only c/r if there are specifics on my opponents that make this a good move. With unknowns at 2nl I am done betting OTT.

OTR, well shit. I hate life now..................


OK, looked at the results.

You sure got lucky. As stated above, playing JJ like this is a long term loser.