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[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 5642373, member: 427881"]
Haha - we’re going down the same train of thought which leads you to either shoving weak or getting out of the way.

I think there’s no harm in calling and seeing if you hit here - mathematically that’s probably not the GTO play but the other alternatives suck and if you’re really folding AQ on the button when are you playing??! There is a school of thought about waiting for the right spots though (ie playing the hands where you have initiative), however when was the last time you saw a pro muck AQ on the button- never, I think they’d def raise it up to see where they’re at and go from there.

It does go back to the bet sizing though - I think if the 4bet is 2x sizing (so 18BB-20BB) you can get out of the way if they 5bet/shove and have position on the flop to cbet bluff if you miss.

Remember - calculating the EV is one thing but that assumes minimal to no mistakes - villain will get tired of your 3/4betting and play a weak hand; they will call wider than they should etc. Plus it feeds into the overall game. Once you’ve 4bet them a couple of times and they’re getting frustrated they’ll end up shoving over you with AJs the time you do it holding AA/KK

It’s worth assessing the maths to make sure you aren’t making a very sub-optimal play (which I think calling often is), but there’s a tonne of factors and humans make mistakes, we just hope it’s villain and not us making them!
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