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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 6358626, member: 385063"] Thank you for posting. To get the most value on river we want to make sure we are making the best value choices on each street. We start by preplanning our hands So we 3 bet preflop why? Do we expect folds-wide range calls- AA traps or post flop over folds? So V calls OOP what range did we expect to call? What range does the V expect us to have? Do they use range in your player pool? Does this V use ranges? When we check flop do we expect our V to think we are protecting a big pair? Will our V ignore that we can have a big pair on later streets? Would our V expect us to have 8x here? Would we bet this flop to bluff? Are they over folding here? On turn are we not betting over pairs that checked flop but do not want to give a free card on this board now? Is the V leading all their made hands now? Does QJ not lead this turn? Will they fold any draw to a probe bet? What does fold to the probe? Will we get value from that on the river? If we probe turn would this V lead river to get folds here or even shove to target our over pair? Our V bets large on a 4 straight board after we have shown no interest in this board. What top of range hands are they leading like this? In your player pool what % of players 3x raise here as a bluff? What % of players even try any kind of bluff here? As played on this river we have two meta game betting choices min raise or shove vs most of the field. Meta game wise I like the min raise as it drives the V crazy. If they were bluffing or weak we get nothing for any size- if we shove they can be happy to think we probably had what we had but if we min raise questions linger. Not only that others on the table are thinking bluffy thoughts as well. Meta game has it's value as well. You may have gotten all the value you could and you were thinking meta game on river so good job. Hope this helps :):) [/QUOTE]

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