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Message: [QUOTE="Jblocher1, post: 6111028, member: 92474"] This is an interesting spot. Before we get to the actual decision point here we should consider the flop decision a bit too. We are going to have a range advantage on this dry uncoordinated board as the 4 bettor. For that reason we should consider a small cbet (1/3 pot) with our entire range here. Even though this is a bad flop for our exact holding, its not a bad flop for our entire range so a bet makes sense in position. Betting also has the additional benefit of almost always generating a check in flow from villain on turn which will allow us to see rivers for free when we do get called on flop. It is ok to check QQ/KK here but only if we also check our AA/AK for protection, if you want to cbet those hands then we should mostly be leaning towards a range bet, but if we want to have a checking strategy on flop with our KK/QQ then we also need to mix checks with our AA/AK. In these situations, I personally prefer to opt for the range bet because it is simpler and we don't need to worry about the exact frequencies at which we want to mix in checks with AK/AA. How we are approaching the flop determines how we need to approach the turn and river from a GTO perspective. If we are playing our range as a check on flop and not cbetting AA/AK, then that means we have better hands to continue to river with and KK can become a fold on river. If, however, we are generally betting our AA/AK/AQs on flop then KK becomes the top of our range and we are going to need to call down on this runout because if we don't call then that means we have no calls, which is never a good situation because it allows villain to exploitatively jam his range on the river and we will never be able to call. So how we play flop determines where exactly KK is in our range which determines what we need to do on river. Once we check back flop we are simply not going to be able to fold turn so if there is a moment to fold it's going to be the river. But in these moments we need to honestly reflect on our flop strategies and how we are constructing our range on the flop. This is 2NL and villain is definitely not thinking about range construction, or theory, or really probably anything for that matter, and so my analysis may not be entirely useful to solving this spot (which is probably a definite exploitative fold on river because villain will have Ax here like every time) but it is still valuable to think about these concepts and understand how our flop range construction impacts how we need to approach later streets. [/QUOTE]

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