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[QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6791239, member: 397965"]
Just a few more words on, why I dont view this flop check-raise as a particularly value heavy line. In "old school" poker check-raising the flop is used for two different purposes. The first is to be able to play for stacks. But that is mainly in single raised pots. In a 3-bet pot its easy to get all the money in by going bet, bet, jam. Unless stacks are unusually deep of course, but that was not the case here. So if we assume, that the opponent is a somewhat simple player, who is not worrying about being balanced, then why would he check his strong hands on the flop? Which leave the other reason for check-raising, which is to get fold equity.

Now I am not saying, that Hero can never be beat here. But I dont think, this is a spot, where it makes any sense to say, we have a population read, that people are always taking Villains line for value and never bluffing. And then we at least have to defend "correctly", which as already stated definitely includes JJ. Of course it also matters, that Hero most likely dont have QQ+, because those hands are often 4-bet. So JJ is pretty high in Heros range, especially if he dont always defend to the 3-bet with 22-55, because then he dont have all the flopped sets either.
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