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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6896511, member: 305911"] Pre: As others have said I would go bigger here with the 3 bet. Villain can be wide here opening on the button and I would not want to give implied odds being out of position for the hand so I think 4x is better here than what we make it. Is it terrible to do what we did? No, its just better to 4x there though or at least 3.5x if we were at higher stakes where the difference between 3.5x and 4x wasnt a few pennies. When we get 4 bet then it comes down to villain reads and what we think of them/what they think of us. I think 5 bet jamming as some of said is fine and I think calling is fine too. I actually lean towards calling here which may not be correct but I know in game thats what I would lean towards. Flop: I would never ever lead here as played and especially not on this board. Are we ever leading QQ and JJ type pairs here? Nah cause the only stuff that would fold would be what we beat so when we lead here coupled with our preflop activity, we really give away our hand. I know this is 2NL but any thinking villain whatsoever is going to put you on AK here a lot. Then we get raised. We just announced to the world we have AK and we are getting raised... if I dont think villain is playing with me here I really think about if not actually folding. I would have never led to put myself in this spot but what do we think villain has here? They dont have KQ of spades and if they dont have that then they have no flush draws. They are not raising here with QQ or KK as that would be suicide (except maybe against players like me?) so what are they raising and again remember we just bet saying we have AK. I think this is a pretty bad spot here to be in where you will be up against it a lot even if it seems like you could rarely be up against it. Another point I will mention is why are we jamming over villains raise? They have very few spade combos, if any (and I think its more like none) with their preflop action and if they are trying to bluff us here (or thinking they are valuing with AQ), which again I doubt but there is always a maybe, then we should just be calling and let them bluff off the rest on the turn and not give them an escape route. The lead on the flop was bad and the raise all in was bad. The raise all in does not hurt you for this hand but its something to keep in mind on future hands. [/QUOTE]

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