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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 5758127, member: 305911"] I think you should be calling with this pre flop as others have said. Maybe against other opponents raising there is fine but with suited paint and in position I am rarely feeling bad about seeing a flop. Not sure how much one of the blinds will raise which could be problematic but I would just take that chance and call here hoping to see a multi way flop in position with a hand that flops well. When the BB donk leads here I rarely think they are doing it with a draw. I automatically would put them on a top pair or two pair hand. We have a Jack which blocks them a bit from having Jx themselves. You are not supposed to do this but my mind would really lead me to a hand like 104 here for the villain (this would be before all other action comes out). I just dont think many will donk lead (especially that big) with just 4x here. 104 fits their VPIP as well, although Jx is still possible and so is a set of fours although I would doubt they would lead that big to what could lead to a lot of folds. I would be thinking though that it is a made hand with at least a pair. I would be calling here but would be weary that I could be losing easily. The turn brings us two pair and another large bet from villain. I totally agree that we are not folding this now or on the river so it is just best to get it in here and hope we are going against Jx, or 104. Jx might fold but if they do, they do. I would rather have that then just call and let villain peel a diamond on the river to just have something more in my mind when I am trying to make a river call. Just get it in as you say and hope for the best. As played the river is a call since the 2 changes nothing and if you thought you were good on the turn then you are good on the river. [/QUOTE]

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