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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6138771, member: 397965"] Preflop I think, the bottom of my raising range here would be a hand like QTs, and Q8s I would normally just fold. Flop I would also bet here, but I might size down a bit. Your hand is not fat value, since you could be behind to a 5, to A8/K8 or a slowplayed overpair, so stack protection is a consideration. More importantly if they missed completely but have two overcards, they are also going to fold to a smaller bet. So you dont need to go this large just to get equity denial. Turn This turn card actually do a lot of things. It makes it less likely, he can have a 5, which is obviously good. Its also true, that you no longer need to worry about a straight or flush. But on the other hand this also mean, you can not get any value from draws by betting. Unless he is totally stupid, he is not calling with a draw, when any paired hand already has a full house. You also chop with another 8X hand now, and random overcards folded on the flop, unless they specifically had the flushdraw. So if you bet here, what are you actually getting called by, that you beat? Its probably only 77 and 66 specifically, so its a very thin bet for value. And for that reason I prefer to check back and then look for a second bet to go in on the river. If he bet any reasonable amount, I am snapping him off, and if he check, I will go for thin value, trying to induce a hero call from hands like A high. You do bet though, and then you face this huge raise, which if you call it will basically commit you to the pot. I like to go back to basics here and look at the SPR and your hand strenght. Its a single raised pot with an SPR of around 8, and your hand is essentially a weak top pair. This is certainly not a type of hand, we are default looking to stack off at an SPR of 8, so unless we can find a very good reason to deviate, we should fold. It is possible of course, that he could be on some wild bluff, or that he is overplaying another 8X hand not thinking about the fact, that you have all the overpairs in your range. But I think, his most likely hand is quads, where he might be trying to follow the Zeebo Theorem, which state, that nobody is able to fold a full house. So I would just fold here and look to get a better read on him before playing for stacks with a very marginal hand like this. River I am not calling turn to fold river, so as played you have to stick in the rest of your chips hoping to catch a bluff or chop with another 8. [/QUOTE]

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