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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 5878741, member: 305911"] The first hand you should have got away from. You face a 3 bet pre and you just called with QQ (btw, I might be in the minority but I like just calling there). Reason why I like calling is that if villain has AA or KK you will have to fold to a 5 bet which may not be easy depending on how large we size the 4 bet plus if the villain has a hand we beat like JJ or 1010 they might think we never 4 bet bluff and fold knowing we have to have at least Q plus. Obviously people 4 bet fold once in a while but probably not enough to make others consistently call us when we do it if they have a hand they think could be behind. So 4 betting folds out the hands we beat and bloats the pot against hands we are behind. Getting back to why you should have gotten away, villains range is skewed towards big pocket pairs and with a J on the flop we beat none of them now except 1010 which is the least likely of villains large pairs to 3 bet. Yes they have some other hands depending on stats like AK, AQ, occasionally 1010 and some bluffs like suited broadways and maybe ace wheels but I think in these zoom games there arent enough of those hands. More than likely you were going against 1010+ and with the J we lose to them all except 1010. I probably call flop and fold turn. As played when they raise the turn you know you are beat. The second hand is just a disgusting cooler. Anyone that folds there would have to be researched to see if they could see their opponents cards. No way you can fold there. I will say though (this does not matter for this hand but for future hands) that I like raising the turn instead of just calling. It could be a bluff and then they will fold but they also could have a hand like 99 and if you dont raise there you have much less of a chance of getting all your chips in by the end. If they do fold there then there is also no guarantee they continue their bluff on the river. I think a small raise there is better than calling, something like a raise to 1.05 or close to that. Moot point in this specific hand but we checked the flop because we flopped the world (which I like that play) but if we do that we want to be at least somewhat aggressive on the turn to try to make the pot as large as possible. [/QUOTE]

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