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Message: [QUOTE="c0rnBr34d, post: 6166573, member: 394557"] My initial instinct was to fold when reading the OP but after thinking about it and reading the comments I think this is definitely a call based on stack sizes. Particularly the 55 BB side pot against a wide SB. Here is my super simplified EV calculation. I'm giving BTN, QQ+, AK and SB AQ+, TT+ but from the description he could easily be wider than this. Also given the SB dynamic it should make BTN more likely to stack off with AK as our ISO range may be perceived as wider than QQ+, AK here given the BTN open and maniac 3B. But for arguments sake I'm going with these conservative ranges and expecting our real EV to be higher. If we call: Main pot will be 153 BB + our call and against those ranges we have 28.73%. So our EV should be: (153 BB *28.73% win) - (42 BB call * 71.27% lose) (44 BB) - (30 BB) = +14 BB !!!! This ignores ties since it's a bit complicated 3 ways but the tie % is less than 3% Side pot will be 27.5 BB + our call and against SB we have at least 54.54%. (27.5 BB * 51.04% win) - (27.5 BB * 45.46% lose) (14 BB) - (12.5 BB) = +1.5 BB This accounts for the 3.5% of the time we tie and chop the side pot for +0 BB. The top of SBs range is also blocked by BTN so it should bias it a bit in our favor. It really comes down to if BTN can have AK or not. If SB can have AK then it's a definite call. And with one orbit and no reads against a maniac SB and an unknown ISO 4B I'd error on the side of including it until I have better reads. If we were risking our stack against solid players for a +2 to +5 BB EV then I could see not getting on the variance train and electing to fold sometimes but if we are passing up +15 BB spots I think we are probably making a mistake or do not have a large enough bank roll for the stakes. The worst case scenario as fundiver suggests if we give SB only QQ+ then our equity in the main pot plummets to 15.34% and our EV in the main pot falls to something like -12 BB. Then we need SB to be really wide to make back as much as possible of that on the side pot. For example if SB has AJ+, 99+ now we are making 6 BB in the side pot to offset and if he has AJ+, 66+ then we are already close to breaking even on the worst case scenario as we will make back close to the 12 BB on the side pot. Some of the maniac SB players here will call with 22 or A8s or worse in which case your QQ will be printing money in the side pot to cover even the worst case in the main. [/QUOTE]

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