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[QUOTE="Shumkoolie, post: 6165342, member: 64267"]
I think the very first thing you said here tells me an awful lot.  You DO only have one orbit against these players, so while SB is looking maniacal, you don't really have enough of a sample size to draw that conclusion, though the assumption is fair.

Have you seen what hands they're showing up with?  Or are they winning without showdown?  Maybe they were just on a rush of cards and while (possibly) splashy already, having good cards likely helps too.  If the BTN wasn't in the hand, I'm happily raise calling off QQ against SB given assumptions of their being splashy and maniacal

Yes, it's marginal, but probably not that bad to get it in, but when you have a 4 and a 5 bet behind, though the SB shoving, I'm more comfortable calling off if it was just them as I said above.  But the button 4 bet shove is the one that concerns me more.  Assuming a lack of information on them, other than BTN has only played one hand previously in the orbit OP was there, you're HOPING that maybe you're up against a couple of AK's there.  You do have a strong hand, but I think I'm probably finding a fold here and waiting for a better spot.  You're not blocking Kings or Aces, and they won't have AQ since you block that hand, so you're HOPING for Jacks, but BTN's range here is likely VERY tight and has your hand beat.
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