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Message: [QUOTE="loafaBREAD, post: 6351780, member: 440287"] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=4]OK, before I read the spoiler... 1. [B][COLOR=#0000ff]Preflop[/COLOR][/B] is fine if he's giving you such a good price. Some people always raise that small as a 3-bet, but sometimes it can be a tell of a big hand. (This is why you need notes on V! What's his usual raise size etc.) 2. [COLOR=#0000ff][B]OTF[/B][/COLOR] ... call me a nit but I'm not raising there. Nope. Sure, he did bet small... we don't need too much protection with K8... 98 - Q8 need a bit more. Looks like you have a backdoor flush draw as well, so raising isn't that bad. [COLOR=#0000ff][B] Reasons to call instead of raise? [/B][/COLOR] -We are actually getting a good price for our hand ([I]maybe a bit too cheap, sure[/I]) and we do not want to get 3-bet on the flop. Facing a 3-bet... this is a bit screwy. Post flop 3-bets at 10nl are usually nutted, but these min raises are crazy. [COLOR=#0000ff][I][B] I'd pitch my cards here- [/B][/I][/COLOR]this is why I wouldn't raise on the flop, though. We have a ton of hands that can raise a min bet and call a 3-bet, but we can be tighter than usual versus his sizing. A5ss can continue etc. (cards with double backdoors and a 3 outer to TP) 2. [COLOR=#0000ff][B]OTT-[/B][/COLOR] [I]I think this is a spot to raise if there ever was any[/I]. As played, I see why now you call... again, I would have flatted flop and raised on the turn here. Now we have heaps of equity and don't mind a bigger pot. 3. [COLOR=#0000ff][B]River is a bitch[/B][/COLOR]. V is rarely bluffing here, so its a question of whether or not he over-plays a marginal hand. Thought process for me looks like this: [B]A. Is V good enough/crazy enough to bluff?[/B] (Answer is a default NO here since we have no meaningful reads...maybe he shows up with AdKx here once in a blue moon though) [B]B. Does V overplay marginal hands? [/B]For example, does V 1.6x pot shove the river with AA? Given the turn sizing, I'd say no. ...you could also ask if he would shove JTdd or worse... maybe he would OTR, but he'd have to be big brained to do that OTF 3-bet with JTdd ([I]I actually think it'd be a sick flop bluff, but I digress...) [/I] The answer to these is no for me, so I only call with the nuts here... I will attach my 10nl BOL stats... even my losing 25nl shot lol. Just want to show that I'm a normal dude who is beating these games at a modest clip. (Included WTSD to show that I'm not a total NIT lol... can show you my other stats if needed!) If fish tell you their hand, play becomes easy. I'll look at the spoiler now... he could be bluffing, but not often enough to justify the call (without reads).[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]

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