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Message: [QUOTE="Ace of Spad3s, post: 6766723, member: 1021897"] Yeah you are correct. SB made the 4-bet shove here. I meant to type 5-bet, my bad. The thing is, against 2 opponents with both a pocket pair, you own the largest equity part (37%) vs. 31.5% for every one of your opponents. So, 63% of hands you will lose. But you will win 37% times and triple up your bet. Also there is this thing called implied odds to take into account: what do you stand to gain when you hit? Now while I think putting someone on a specific hand is a bad idea, thinking in ranges is a lot better, let's go with the 2 pocket pairs. You put them both on a pocket pair, meaning if you hit an A or Q, you will take down that pot most of the time and if you are lucky, a big pot aswell. Since SB is the aggressor and all in already at just 15BB, and prior you put in the 3-bet vs the CO, odds are CO isn't going to just bet into you, unless he hit his set or bluffs. At that point, it should be easy for you to make the fold. So while you are correct to not assume villain is going to check down every street with you, don't assume he will bet into you on every street either. There is quite some calculation going on to see if this is the correct play EV wise in the long run, taking into account fold equity and such, and honestly I'm not that great at it either. Maybe some other forumer with the knowledge could inform you better on it, but i'll try: Roughly speaking, let's say you run this exact situation a 100 times. When you call, it cost you ~3000. When you win, you win ~9000+ (more if you hit that A or Q). - You invested: 100x3000 = 300.000 chips and in those situations: - You lost 63 times: 63 x 3000 = -189.000 - You win 37 times: 37 x 9000 = +333.000 333.000 - 189.000 = +144.000 = the amount you stand to gain in the long term of 100 times running this situation, not taking implied odds into account. Now if you would fold this a 100 times: 100 x 800 = -80.000 = the amount you lose after 100 times. So yeah, in this specific situation you should call that bet 100% of times because it is huge EV+ by 1440 per call. [/QUOTE]

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