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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6937944, member: 305911"] A lot determines how I think this hand should be played based on the number of hands you have against the opponent with those stats. If it were 35+ hands then I think we can really be fairly confident its QQ, KK, AA and we have KK and the flop is QQx. Plus those types of players never fold when they raise pre, they might play scared as they did here but they dont fold so after the flop with those parameters I would just call down just to know only giving up 30 cents. The actual situation, though, is tougher since we only have 20 hands. We still know its a premium hand like 1010+ and even with 20 hands I would be thinking of discounting AK although that could be wrong. So given its only 20 hands I would either call as you did or 4 bet with the intention of only calling a 5 bet if its min (get the odds to hit the K). If the 5 bet is a jam, I just dont think players who dont raise (and 20 hands is right on the cusp of knowing what they do or not since it involves a metric that is a decision on every single hand) do that with JJ or 1010 and even QQ probably just calls a 4 bet so to me a 5 bet here is AA every time. Flop as played with QQ would be a good flop for KK vs AA if the villain was "normal" but as mentioned before these players who very rarely raise pre flop will also very rarely fold pre flop after they do raise. The flop would tell me that I lose to AA, and QQ and its harder now to extract anything from JJ or 1010 should they have it so I would just call here as you did. The flop is a really bad one in this situation vs this opponent since their are now extra hands from their already truncated range that beat us now that didnt pre (Like say if a AQ was in their range which I dont think it is but of course it could be) and its hard to get value from the stuff that we beat Turn is nothing burger and in my mind I would still be thinking I am either behind here or getting max one street of raise value. In thinking that I am getting one street of value only, I would wait to river to raise (if I were going to raise at all) instead of raising turn. I dont think with this board and more importantly this opponent type you will be able to raise turn and bet something on river and get calls on both streets unless you are beat. River is another blank so its decision time after facing another min bet. I will probably get frowned upon by others but this is a spot (again, against this opponent type only) where just calling is not bad. I personally probably would raise in game but if I really trusted myself and my read I would just call to be honest. Others have said your raise sizing is too small and I think it is... but not by much. If we are raising here as played we are trying to get a JJ or to call so blowing them out of the water wont work especially since this opponent type generally plays scared and wont have the "he's bluffing me" mentality. I like 60 or 70 cents as a raise sizing if you are going to raise which isnt too far from what you make it. I think all in all you played the hand well cause you had a read and in playing against you in the past your reads are pretty good so you know you can trust them. You had a feeling about the hand as soon as pre flop and used it even with the raise on river. You lost the minimum here KK vs AA and as mentioned, for the most part I like the way you played the hand. Against other opponents, this is a bad way to play KK but I think that is known and irrelevant to this specific hand due to villains uniqueness, which again you read quite well. [/QUOTE]

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