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[QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6624304, member: 397965"]
HUD-data can be a big help. If someone have stats like VPIP 63 / PFR 8, then their limping range is obviously very wide. But if they have stats like VPIP 19 / PFR 4, they are basically playing the same hands as someone with stats like VPIP 19 / PFR 15. They are just playing them in a more passive way. Most limpers also have some kind of randomization in their game. Not because they learned this in some amazing course, but because their actions are often emotionally guided. Sometimes they limp AA or AK to "trap", and other times they raise 87s, because they just lost a big pot, and they are tilted.

So in this hand I would definitely not remove or reduce KJ from an UTG limping range, because thats exactly the kind of hand, passive players often limp. But if the stats are more like 19 / 4 rather than 63 / 8, then I will remove J8 completely. And if they are more like 63 / 8, the player is really bad and more likely to overvalue two pair, perhaps not even noticing, that 3 different straights are possible. Part of OPs question was, if a very low AF of 0,3 could allow him to get away. And the answer to that is no, because it was likely over an insignificantly small sample, which he did not share. And as already stated, even if the opponent is never bluffing, they could be overplaying a worse hand thinking, its for value.
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