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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6900889, member: 397965"] Preflop I did not check the solver or charts, but pretty sure K8o is supposed to be played as just a call, while K8s might be 3-bet some percentage of the time. But ok you state, why you did it, and I dont know your player pool, so no objections here. Flop This looks like a flop, that can be basically range bet, and like you say, you have a BDFD, which is at least something. Without that maybe its a giveup? It is difficult to have a much worse hand, since its a 3-bet pot. Turn For me this is a key point in the hand, and I think, this bet is a major mistake. Your hand dont need protection, so the only valid reasons for betting is to get worse hands to call or better hand to fold, and neither of this will happen often enough. If he has a worse hand like JJ-QQ or TX, he is probably going to fold it facing this large bet, since he now only have third pair, and even if he has a gutshot, he is not getting the odds to draw. Whereas if he has a better hand, he is usually going to call. He is not folding top pair, when its a blind vs. blind battle, and KX with a better kicker is a very small part of his range. Your hand is to in between to bet here, and the play is to check back and try to get to showdown. If he bet the river, you make a decision, and if he check, you check back, unless you have improved to two pair or trips, in which case you bet for value. River Interesting card and action, since it gives you two pair, but it also complete the frontdoor flushdraw, and the opponent donk shoves into your face. I think, we can all agree, that he is not doing this for value with a worse hand than yours, so its a bluff catching spot. It is relevant to have Kd, because it block some flushes, he might shove for value. But Kd is not as relevant a blocker as Ad, since he will have far more nut flushes in his range than K high flushes. So I would rather call here with AQ or AJ with A of diamonds instead of K8 with K of diamonds. Also while donk bets are sometimes bluffy, on a river card, that complete draws, its pretty common to donk for value. If he has a flush or even a set or a strong two pair and check here, you are just going to check back a lot and not pay him. So there is a lot of value in his range, and its difficult to find natural bluffs, unless he is turning made hands into a bluff like AX with A of diamonds. This is something, you might see in a high stakes game but rarely at 10NL. So I think, this is a fold, even though it sucks to fold, when you finally have a decent hand like two pair. Results So he did in fact turn a made hand into a bluff. Not top pair with the nut blocker but bottom pair with no relevant blocker. Clearly this hand should have folded on the turn and probably also preflop. So it seems like, you ran into the particular kind of opponent, who just never gives up. If you had that kind of read, then well done, but if he was just a random unknown, I dont like this line. The main problem though is the turn bet. If you check back turn, his range is much weaker, if he bet the river, and then you have an easy call with two pair and a flush blocker assuming normal sizing. [/QUOTE]

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