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Message: [QUOTE="F Paulsson, post: 383438, member: 6979"] I want you to be honest. :) You're right in that it was a questionable play, and I'm glad you're not afraid to say so (I'm telling you guys that you're giving me way too much credit, and it's even the more apparent when you feel you have to apologize for telling me I'm making mistakes, heh)! But I didn't post this hand as an example of how to play - I would not encourage anyone to play this way, especially in light of the fact that it almost certainly was a -EV play, albeit a fairly close one. No, the reason I post this hand is as a prelude to a thing I'm planning regarding flop play in limit hold'em. For the next week or so, I want to focus on hands that should NOT be folded on the flop. I think many of you may be caught in the "fit or fold" mentality that many books and articles teach, and miss out on a lot of profit from potentially +EV situations. Again, the one above wasn't +EV, but I wanted to find a situation that was close to 0, to demonstrate the thinking, and given the discussion that ensued, I think I hit the nail on the head. :) Yes, I bring up a runner-runner, and I do it for a good reason - it gives me an effective extra out. The runner-runner in itself is not a reason to stay in, but when added to overcard outs, it may tip the decision. And a final word regarding the hand I posted - it's rarely profitable for me to call here (if ever). I'm at risk of reverse domination, my opponent may have me drawing dead already, if I hit an out on the turn, he may have a powerful redraw, etc. These are all good reasons to fold. But there are two good reasons to stay in as well: 1. My opponent is loose, aggressive and an awful player, and 2. The pot is big. What specifically matters is the second reason. Clearly I didn't have time to do the math at the table, but I thought for a few seconds and decided it was a close decision. I looked at the pot size, deemed it "big", and called. Remember: [I]When the decision is close, tend to call when the pot is big. When the pot is small, tend to fold.[/I] What about raising? I thought about that, too - but I don't think raising would give me any benefit: 1. He's not going to fold anything that he bet with. If I bet, he will call with anything, and I will have learned nothing. 2. He's not going to 3-bet with almost anything either. If he does have a strong hand, he's going to wait for the turn to raise me. 3. He has position on me, and raising will not buy the button or give me the chance for a free card on the turn. Cheers, FP [/QUOTE]

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