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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 6779223, member: 385063"] 1 Yes it was wrong for the reasons you state as well as the T J K blocking straight outs and the K having redraws over our Q if you had A99 then we can flat- We could also get raised by the K to iso us with a very marginal holding most often this is not even a flat but a fold especially with the Ks showing 2 Yes we can easily be outdrawn by KK and the T V raised the KK they could have rolled up T's or AA 3 No we have 2 pair but the KK has redraws to better 2 pair and will never fold as well as the other potentially having AA as played with a redraw as well- We have a showdown hand V dependent or thin value on the river when checked to 4 Yes easy fold This is the issue with not folding on 3rd we then kinda maybe sorta have outs to win this hand but we cannot make the nuts but maybe 2 pair is good but we have to put in multiple bets to find out. Solid folds early is key to stud victory :unsure::poop: [/QUOTE]