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Message: [QUOTE="MrHachiman, post: 6472152, member: 279753"] Ok but you know that after you have played the hand. You can't assume that from a player in UTGvsUTG until you see it. (Unless you've seen it previously.) So, if you don't have a clear read from a player, you can't assume that UTGvsUTG is ahead with TP and you can get 3 value streets. To analyze the hand, you can't based on the hand that actually he had. It was about what you knew about the player up to that point, and what was his most likely range at that position based on that reading. Then you filter the hands that are calling two streets. Since from his preflop range, he will fold a part of the range. So the range that hits the river is very different from the one that calls preflop. Then, you can calculate how his range would fare vs an opponent's more realistic range based on what hand he had and perform the same calculation. In both cases, I don't see a clear 3 barrel. [/QUOTE]