Reply to thread

Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 6661548, member: 385063"] So have not looked past preflop yet- 33 is not a raise in this spot at these stack depths it is 100% set mine due to OOP vs very deep stacks therefore equity realization is negative unless we hit our 2 outer- As well we are not getting folds from 44 55 66 IP for this sizing so we are not protecting vs set over set on low boards. After raise we get exactly as expected CO and BB continue but now we get worse case scenario UTG 3 bets - depending on what rule of thumb we have for set mining we need 15x or 20x we no longer have the correct odds to call- UTG raise is 10.5bb more we need 157.5 or 210 bb in our stack to call for the math to be right. Flop why just flat? IP this deep with a third player for potential value we want to play for stacks we need to make this pot bigger on flop if the V has KK QQ AA there are action killers on the turn. As played turn you play is fine vs very weak players but vs a better player they are just not stacking off on turn when your bet screams nuts like that. Another reason to raise flop instead. We can raise a wider range on flop on a less scary board so we can get max value from better players not just the LADS who over play AA KK So preflop you had 19% to win so this is not really bad luck when we think about that factor- yes we will hit our set but this happens where we still lose - that is why many pros want 20x to set mine at this stack depth especially when the UTG makes an action that screams AA KK preflop Why more at this stack depth because we are negating our skill advantage which is highest at these stack depths. [/QUOTE]

Verification

Search

Reply to thread

About CardsChat

Our Community

Our Site

Follow us

Language