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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6821055, member: 305911"] Depends on player... how wide do you think they are and do they fold to 3 bets? If we are going at this as readless then I think we have to guess whether QJ or Q10 is in their UTG open range. If not, then their range is Ax, Kx, and pocket pairs. The Ax and Kx we dont want to go anywhere and would assume if we just called that we would face a c bet from UTG a lot so we could flat pre and just call flop to keep those worse hands in but then that also lets the blinds in cheap which we dont want. At 50 BBs, we can 3 bet but 3 bet somewhat smallish, like to 8 or 9 BBs and then see what happens on flop. Either of the flops you mention I would not like against UTG as I am only targeting a few Ax (AQ, AJ, A10 as I think A9 doesnt open UTG) and very limited Kx and each flop benefits the certain pairs that we could up against and would not fold. I would still say jamming pre flop is on the table at 30 BBs and probably what I would still do in game. It could get all pairs up to 99 to fold, at least possibly fold. You might get a call from AQ suited too if you both have 30 Bbs and villain decides to gamble for a big stack and puts you on a hand you dont want to see a flop with like 55-99 ( I know they would be behind but could gamble for the big stack with it being a flip). Jamming, though, is so much better when the flat caller is in the middle since its dead money that I would not expect to call a jam. So I guess a quick sum up, with open and caller, I am jamming either stack size but definitely at 30 BBs. If just UTG opener, jam at 30 BBs and small 3 bet at 50 BBs to 8-9 BBs and then play flop accordingly with a lean towards small betting on the 632 board and checking back on the Q87 board. [/QUOTE]

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