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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6776483, member: 305911"] I agree with others have said based on the stack depth you cant call this off here for 25% of your stack to start the hand. I think the only two plays here pre, once you are raised, is to fold or to 4 bet jam if you think they are light and will fold. I dont like jamming there but I think jamming is better than calling the 3 bet. Folding is the best option. As others have said, if we were way deeper than you see a flop with this hand but at 30 BBs you will get yourself in a lot of trouble. As played on the flop I think your jam is targeting too narrow of a range, simply QQ and JJ. No Kx is folding and depending on how wide villain really is with their 3 bets off this stack (Im thinking less wide than you believe) then I dont see why we would jam here getting a snap fold from all the crap and snap call from the hands that are ahead. I think at this point you should fold if you didnt already on the flop however, if you are going to continue then I think it should be just a call with the plan of going with 2nd pair (I dont recommend this but I think its better than jamming) and letting villain bluff it off. That or you could call flop and then being in position see what villain does turn (I think you are committed anyway but if they check you can throw a bet out there as it might have been a flop c bet stab at the pot). As others have mentioned though, this is the problem with calling the 3 bet pre with 109. When you do hit the flop you are not dominating normally and you cant call pre, then hit the flop and then fold so when you call the 3 bet you are getting yourself stuck in the hand. [/QUOTE]

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