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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 7120416, member: 385063"] You state---When I shoved I actually [B]wanted[/B] and half expected a fold.--- You state -I was putting him on something marginal, maybe a similar hand to mine or possibly middle pair- Why do you want a fold? Sure maybe you get QJ to fold the chop but you would also get QT to fold, 9x to fold-- We want to get max value when we are ahead--That is what you should be thinking on the river- how do I get QT to call 9x to call- Can I get JT to bluff -T8 will that bluff 86 etc If you said QX will call shoves- 9x will call shoves- V never bluffs then shoving and running into KQ is fine--you would be thinking strategically correct. :unsure::geek: [/QUOTE]