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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6501073, member: 305911"] Pre flop: Depends what you mean by LJ limps marginal hands. Is a marginal hand A4 or is a marginal hand like 66 or both? I ask because we are making this raise pre to get folds. If we think they have hands that they will not fold (same goes for SB) then this play is bad imo. If we are anything short of fairly confident we will get two folds then we should just check our option here and see a flop. Too many times with two in front of us we get action which may be okay if its the SB since we have position but I think we are setting ourselves up here a bit by trying to steal. Plus if we believe in ourselves post flop then we can possibly take it then. Without knowing stats or the villains I much prefer to just check behind here. Flop: This one is weird since it is such a check behind board with all the middle cards which should hit the villains range but we also raised pre and want to rep a big hand. Even with raising pre I think I check this one back. We have a draw so we could bet but checking back for pot control (since this pot is bigger already than what it should be imo) is best. If we checked our option pre then this would be a much easier check back on the flop and we would actually have an easier time since our range would/should be perceived wider. As played, if you are going to bet I like the sizing but know there are so many hands that will call like any 9x, 7x, and most pairs. Turn: This is a spot where if we would have checked the flop and then was checked to again we could bet and "buy" most likely a check to us on the flop where we could check back or bet for value or a bluff depending on the card. As played since we bet the flop and was called I would think Im behind but I actually like betting here to pot control. I know that makes no sense when you read it but if we bet small here then we control the hand and then can control the pot. If we bet small (which would be my play after you raised pre and bet flop) and get raised then its an easy pitch. If we get led into on the river then depending on the river card it should raise some eyebrows and we should think hard before calling. Most of the time we get checked to and can check back. Its also the way we would play if we had a big hand so it takes away a big bluff by villain on river (which could be what happened in this hand). River: The turn was badugi so big hands could have checked knowing there is no flush draw possible coming in on the river. It sucks we hit our card and still are looking to fold but as many big bets are on the river... this is polarized. Comes down to what you know about villain which without any stats its hard to tell. You mention you think hes good which to me means a bluff is more possible here but not sure I would want to call so much with top pair and 9 kicker. If you were bluffed its a bluff that would get me too. Im folding here and not liking it but I think more often than not its the right play. I also think you could have played the hand differently to not put yourself in this spot. [/QUOTE]

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