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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 6509124, member: 385063"] Watching replayer one step at a time-did not see results Preflop U open raise SB 3 bets----- ICM in this spot suggests the SB can only call better hands if we jam or even raise-Is the SB ICM aware do they know to fold JJ in this spot to a 4bet of any size? Being second in chips we really do not want to play for stacks vs an ICM correct range-We can min click back fold to the shove vs strong players We really do not want to flat this based on ICM conditions-this is a good spot to just get this pot now but we do not want to shove if only better calls- we do not want to flip with AK- Other factors may be at play however- recent actions by you -opening then folding etc etc You flat- we now have to be very cautious post flop as we can bleed our stack down to be one of the shorties not a great spot at this stage of the FT Flop sucks for us if the V shows any kind of agg we are better dumping the hand then hanging on- Both of you are stack battling with 2 shorties sub 20bb on the table- this is terrible ICM wise- you have more to lose as you cover 5 and SB covers 2 so of the two of you they can be more agg in this spot SB leads flop you call ok one time call is ok we still have 5 covered- V checks turn You bet turn- check the stack sizes your bet drops you below 3 other players- this is a PKO ICM no no- V had KK ouch Yes KK left value here- river can never go check check- block bet river with KK 10% or 25% pot The only hand you are betting for ICM value there is JJ or KX which they block-after they check which is also the hands you would raise a block bet with. I know people might say what about bluffs-ICM has you fold flop a lot and not bet turn- so V should not expect enough bluffs to check river to you and if you have bluffs why not raise the block bet? [/QUOTE]

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