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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6747487, member: 305911"] Player dependent here. I know you said you are readless (which I take as you didnt have or dont use a HUD) but have you played any hands with them and what have you seen? I think depending on the villain we are playing and them starting with 23 BBs then all of the options are on the table minus jamming since then villain gets to play perfectly against TT and then also we are only UTG+1 so many to act behind us. I do think, though, that if villain is very loose and you see them play a lot of hands then an iso raise is not bad. If they are not loose or we are readless then I think calling is much better. It does leave a squeeze possibility behind us but those should be less frequent since it is an UTG open and an UTG+1 call and not all 3 bets we would face would necessarily be value (although they should definitely heavily lean that way due to UTG open). If we raise a non-loose villain here though I feel like we make life easy on them as they will usually fold worse being at 23 BBs and just jam over us when better. If we knew we going against a tight villain that opened UTG off of 23 BBs then I dont think it would be horrible to fold. It is on the snug side but would not be the worst pre flop fold in the world. Reads are important and we need to have some idea on each villain at the table even if we have only been at the table for 5 hands or whatever. Being truly readless I think this best played as a call. Your second question is much easier imo and after villain jams I am folding. Maybe they do this with 88 and 99 but I even doubt that so when we call here I feel like we are flipping at best and I think AJ even gets pitched. You are probably facing a range of something close to AQ suited +, 1010+ and of course 1010 is hard for villain to have. This is best to fold instead of hoping just for a flip. I want to mention that its a good point by Fundiver that even though the hand is way lower in the spectrum and equity than 1010, Ax is a better 3 bet here since it blocks AA. [/QUOTE]

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