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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6555910, member: 305911"] I like calling pre flop more than raising. As fundiver wrote if are going to raise here then we need to go like 5x. First limper started the hand with 18 BBs so I would never expect a call here but either a fold (good) or they jam on us which puts us in a spot since they could limp jam a big hand here too if they that type of player. On top of that, I dont want to play a large hand here when it looks like (depending on BB tendencies) that we will get to see a cheap flop here with a hand that can flop well. When we get min raised the first thing that would pop out of my mouth would be what is this crap as this play makes no sense since no one folds and all it does it bloat the pot for villain who is playing out of position against everyone except us. Its a "move" I see a lot and it makes zero sense to me why people do it. Calling after we get raised is the only play since even though we really think first two limpers are weak now we cant go raising now when we had the chance to raise the first time around. On the flop I really dont like leading out but its okay to do it since we think there should be a lot of checking due to the number of people in the hand. The reason why I like checking here is I want to punish the min raising villain who made a play pre flop they shouldnt have made. In other words I want to punish them for their mistake and check to them to give them an opportunity to c bet and get themselves stuck. I really hate jam leading since what are we getting called with when almost 4x over bet the pot? Nothing that we beat so you are really wasting a value hand when you are ahead here. We got called which as soon as we are called there we know we are beat and it was really unlucky flop. This hand plays best as a check call on the flop (unless villain goes nuts with sizing) and then evaluate each street afterward. I think its hard to not give up two streets of value here (maybe certain villains we can have enough of an inkling to consider folding on turn) but no way we should go broke with this hand even at 34 BBs to start. [/QUOTE]

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