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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 5749719, member: 397965"] You are mixing up different topics here. Some poker sites allow the use of HUDs, while others dont. If HUDs are allowed, then everyone can use them, so its difficult to see, what is particularly unfair about it. If someone choose to not use a HUD, then that is their choise, and its no different from choosing to play when tired or drunk, or choosing to play 10 tables at the same time. With all these choises you are giving up some winrate in exchange for something else. If you dont want to use a HUD, then maybe play on a site, where they are not allowed. This would make a lot of sense. If HUDs are not allowed, then people using them are cheating, which is of course not fair. Its also not that easy. You cant just use any of the common commercially available programs like PT4 or HM2, since the manufacturers of these programs cooperate with poker sites and accept their TOS. So you have to go to the grey market or make one yourself. I could personally not be bothered to do this, when I can just play on sites, where my PT4 is allowed. I would rather follow the rules and not risk to have my account banned. Software, which help a player to make real time decisions, is generally not allowed on any site, so people using such software are also cheating. And sure some people probably are. But at low stakes I dont think, its common. Here we need to remember also, that it takes time and effort to for instance put software on another computer, so it cant be detected, and then manually plug in hands to get an answer. I think, if I tried this, there would be a high risk, I timed out. And it would certainly not be possible, when I play 4 tables at a time. So even though I could do this, I dont particularly want to. And its not only a moral question. I just dont think, that for me personally it would be worth the hassle to for instance use ICMizer in real time. By working with the program off the table, which is allowed, I already get a better idea of the NASH equilibrium, which should be good enough to beat the games, I am playing. [/QUOTE]

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