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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6260744, member: 397965"] Unless you were living under a rock back in the fall of 2019 (or not into poker yet), you have surely heard about the Mike Postle / Stones Gambling Hall cheating allegations. The fascinating thing is, that even though the stream stopped, after the scandal exploded, all the footage is still there to watch on Stones Live Poker Youtube channel. And some of it is actually quite worth watching. First of all it was a pretty cool stream with a nice relaxed atmosphere and some nice commentators. So its really a shame, this thing happened and killed it off. Streamed live cash games are often a bit artificial, because people know, that if they sit and play tight, they will not be invited back to the stream again. But they also have streams of MTT final tables, where you can get a real idea about, how people actually play in low stakes live tournaments, should you ever want to enter that scene yourself. And of course its still fascinating to watch the streams with Postle to see the differences between "god mode" and no "god mode", and how it evolved along the way, as well as how the way the commentators talked about him evolved. Allegedly the cheating began min july 2018, so any stream prior to that is free from it, and sure enough we do see Postle do things like getting bluffed or picking bad spots to bluff himself, which are almost absent from the "god mode" streams. This one is one of the last ones, where Postle played, and it contain the famous hand, where Postle turn the nut flush, but a player called Firas turned a straight flush, which resulted in a massively underwhelming pot. But actually this same stream contain another hand, which I dont think was ever brought forward by the content creators looking into this, and which to me is almost even more atroceous than the flush over flush hand. It begins at around 3:45 hours into the stream with EP opening 84s, HJ 3-betting AQo, and Firas in CO 4-betting AKs. While all of this is going on, Postly is clearly staring deep down into his lap, as we also saw in many other situations. After which he decides to cold call the 4-bet on BTN with 63s. Yeah....... This is just not a thing! First of all Postle is not closing action, and if either of the 5 players still in the hand comes over the top with a 5-bet, he will need to fold. And in top of that if either player has a big pocket pair, which will often be the case, when there is a 3-bet and a cold 4-bet, then Mike is just toast. He has around 20% equity, and even with position he is usually not going to be able to bluff people out of a bloated pot, if they have an overpair. But as in the famous hand, where Postle goes all-in preflop with 54 offsuit against two opponents, who magically both have AK, he masterfully pick a spot, where nobody has a big pocket pair, even though there has been both a 3-bet and a cold 4-bet in front of him. So he actually has equity, and he also has position on Firas and a good chance to outplay him postflop, since he probably know exactly, what Firas has. The flop comes 983 with two spades giving Postle bottom pair and Firas the nut flushdraw with two overs. Firas makes a healthy sized C-bet, which Postle call, and I guess this is pretty normal, if you are going to call a 4-bet preflop with a hand like 63s. Your opponent could after all have AK, which you now beat, so you kind of have to peel off one street at least, if you somehow accidentally called that 4-bet. The turn pair the board with another 9, and this is the next point, where the hand goes totally off the rails. Firas bet again, as he probably should, and for anyone, who cant see their opponents cards, or are drunk and have to much money, this would be the end of the hand. The reason is, that while neither player should really have a 9 in a 4-bet pot, Firas can easily have all the overpairs, and if that case Mike is now drawing to two outs, plus he has no fold equity with Firas having less than a pot sized bet left behind. So anyone with a minimum of understanding of poker, and what normal ranges look like in a 4-bet pot, are folding bottom pair on that turn. But oh no. Mike Postle makes one of his magic soul reads and put Firas all-in essentially raising bottom pair for value/protection in a 4-bet pot. This is just not a thing! For anyone, who understand a bit of poker, this hand in itself is as good as 100% sure evidence, Mike was cheating. Because there is just no way, a professional winning player is doing something like this without knowing his opponents cards. Eventually Firas end up calling with 47% equity, and Postle only win the hand, because he got lucky and won both runouts, after they agreed to run it twice. After getting felted you can see the frustration in Firas face, and I cant help feel sorry for the guy as well as all the other people, who got cheated by Postle. Such a shame that an otherwise great stream was abused and ruined in this way. If you are interested in watching this atroceous hand as well as the famous interview with Mike Postles brother, who is in the booth in the early part of the stream, just follow this link. And if you want to watch many more hours of people playing poker with or without cheating and nice commentators, to go Stones Live Poker channel on Youtube :) [MEDIA=youtube]4dHt8yhhXuk[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]

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