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[QUOTE="DS3, post: 6319694, member: 407846"]
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this.

I am intimately aware of both the US and UK perspective because of my background but the first point I made was that [U]the Iraq invasion was not warranted.[/U]

What I tried to point out was America was in deep shock, justifiably so and then the public was manipulated.  Even then I made no mention of the fact that Saddam Hussein had invaded  Kuwait, waged a war with Iran and persecuted citizens domestically. He was not a good actor period. There was a through line for people to go along with the idea of invasion in their eyes. Especially as the US government had linked (falsely) Saddam Hussein to terrorists. In fact at the time even the likes of The New York Times were pro-war

Again you do not seem to grasp I am not excusing the US government actions but I believe there is a case to be made to excuse the American public and what they were led to believe. They are two distinctly different things.

And this is what does not match up in an way with the Russia Ukrainian conflict.

There was no Ukrainian aggression and they were not bad actors. Russians were being fed  baseless propaganda and I am sure most knew it was BS. I do not think the two conflicts bear comparison. But that is my method/perspective.

If for example I spend time on the Vietnam war (as I have in the past) I look at it as a unique episode and try to understand it in a unique context - I try to remove myself from generalities.

And I think we both need to be aware we are way off subject here, so as I said, agree to disagree.
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