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Message: [QUOTE="A2345Razz, post: 2098159, member: 90717"] Not that I am an authority on Ungar or anything as he was long since dead by 2004 when I got into poker, BUTTTTT I have probably watched more video on poker nostalgia than 99% of poker fans, and a few things about Stuey have become true in my mind: 1) He was the greatest Gin Rummy player ever to live, and the gap was wide...he basically solved the game with his genius IQ and photographic memory. It might not be the game of choice these days, but in the early/mid 20th century Gin was played in the N.E. of the US for HUGE sums of money...even my grandfather played big games and once played Ungar for 500 bucks when those were high stakes (something akin to 5k). Ungar annihilated the borscht belt games(think Jews with money summering in upstate NY) and then proceeded to basically break high stakes Gin in Fl....(think rich Jews/Italians who had retired). It is not only possible but probable that Stuey was more dominant in Gin than anyone has been in any major game in modern history. 2) Stuey was an astonishing NLH donkament player. I wont go into a long diatribe, but his record speaks for itself and he was 2.5 decades ahead of everyone in the early 1980s when he burst onto the scene in big buy in tourneys. He also won the WC of NL 2/7 often called the purest form of poker around. He also won the WC of Stud...which at that time was easily the most popular game. In fact in the early 80s he almost won both the 5k and 10k stud hi WSOP events which would have been like someone winning the 25K and ME of NLH at the WSOP or something. Stuey, at his peak, was probably the best tournament player for his time there ever has been. Ivey might have something to say about that before he is done, and of course his whole resume is MUCH more impressive, but no one dominated like Stuey did. 3) Stuey was not feared in the biggest cash games by any of the top players.......this is a sad truth no one likes to bring up, but Billy Baxter discussed in his Cardplayer interview. Stuey had poor emotional control. Stuey had trouble shifting down in gears. Stuey just happened to be a piss poor (relative) draw/lowball player when a lot of the biggest Stardust games where in Lowball triple draw. He tried to crack those old Sarge Farris games, but always failed. Ivey is a more all around poker player and a much better cash game player than Stuey ever dreamt of being. We all should be thankful that we are here to witness the man who is truly the GOAT, PHIL FKN IVEY. [/QUOTE]

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