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Message: [QUOTE="hackmeplz, post: 1951973, member: 89075"] You make some fair points (and thanks for that link btw, interesting stuff), but I guess the main disagreement we have is what is fair? If you take your perspective which seems to be "we need x dollars, let's take them such that each person suffers somewhat equally in what they lose", then yes of course you would logically reach the conclusion you have that the tax code is too flat. If you take the other perspective though, which is that "we need to pay for this stuff, the people who use it should be the ones paying for it", and you can see why some think currently the rich pay too much. One of the "regressive taxes", is the medicare tax. It's something like 7.5% and 7.5% from employer (15% for poker pros/self-employed) up to something like 110k. So to someone making millions, this is a very small % of their income. To someone who makes anywhere from $0-110k they effectively pay 15%. But that's because someone who makes millions is getting the exact same thing out of medicare. Now the guy making 110k is actually getting the same as the guy making 15k, so you do end up having to make some compromise. We obviously can't tax the guy making 20k/yr 15k for medicare just because the guy making 100k/yr also pays 15k. So we have to compromise somewhat. I'm also fine with somewhat of a safety net. This also means not taking everything the poor make even if that would be "fair" in the sense of getting what they pay for in government. you talk about gold-plated bathrooms in 3rd yacht vs. lunch. What about comparing rich vs. middle class? Why does the guy who legitimately makes enough to buy a gold-plated bathroom on his 3rd yacht charged more so the middle class guy can afford his 2nd big screen TV or a maid to clean his house? But the majority of Americans are or at least consider themselves middle class. No one likes to consider themselves on either extreme so people who can afford food and don't have multiple yachts (aka guys making anywhere from like 40k-300k, which is a huge ****ing range) all consider themselves middle class. So the politicians have to cater to these people to get votes, so they use the class warfare tactics of just getting all the money from taxing the rich (despite the fact that most studies show that will not actually work to help our deficit/debt problem). And the poor and the middle class eat that shit up. [/QUOTE]

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