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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6478725, member: 397965"] Just as a final comment, there are people on Youtube and perhaps also in this thread, who ask "but if she was cheating, then why pick a spot, where she was flipping". And its true, that if she knew his cards, then raising the turn makes no sense. He is not going to fold to that sizing, and she is not getting value, since they are flipping. The whole spot is very strange, because normally raising with J high is a bluff, but if she was cheating, it was actually for value or equity denial. Just like it was in the AK vs. A8 hand, where she took a very similar line. Or in some hands, where Postle made, what looked like bluffraises with weak pairs, but they were actually for value, since his opponents had draws. However if the cheating was her getting some simple "on or off" signal like a beep, telling her if she was ahead, then everything makes sense. She was technically ahead on the turn, and therefore she raised for value not knowing, that Garrett had as many as 20 outs. And apparently she had not considered the option, that Garrett might 3-bet rather than call or fold, because that put her in a very bad spot. If she had folded, she would lose the money, she already invested in the pot, and if she called, it would look really suspicious. An intelligent cheater would have folded and then tried to make the money back in other hands. But most cheaters are not intelligent, and what we saw here was most likely a dumb cheater getting caught early. Or at least thats my personal opinion. [/QUOTE]

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