Does the Best Player Always Win?

orchidra · Oct 23, 2019

b1atch said:
Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

Does the best player always win?
Simple answer is, no. Even a mug player can get lucky and beat a top pro. But over the medium to long term, one would expect the better players to win more often.

As for winning 7 out of 10 times, that's a very good average. Keep up the good work.

mountainfox · Oct 24, 2019

The best players will win more than they lose in the long run. But, they don't always win because everyone will run into bad beats and unlucky suck outs every now and then. But, just winning at least 60 percent of the time is good enough.

Anton Fedorov · Oct 24, 2019

The best player does not always win, but when he wins, he compensates for all losses before that. If winning exceeds losing, then this is really the best player I think.

pedrovitorcosta · Oct 24, 2019

An old TV show called "The Big Game" shows how an unprofessional player can do well at a table full of pros. There is a bit of luck involved in the game, there's no denying it, but the ability makes a difference too.
I believe the best player doesn't always win, but I believe that in tournaments normally, he will always be in the prize bubble.

Branimir84 · Oct 24, 2019

Always? No, of course not.

Over a course of games, majority of times? Yes

jfofla · Oct 24, 2019

b1atch said:
Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table I shouldnt win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 teams in BOTH my regular games and I'm wondering shouldnt I win every time? I just can not help but think since the pros like Hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players Then that means I shouldnt. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often Do I shouldnt expect to win?

friend, if at that age you have been playing this way, I think you should try to improve more and possibly become a professional player, keep always humble and never think you are the best player in the mundo.boa luck.

dregan · Oct 24, 2019

I think that the best player cannot always win. Poker is not chess where all moves are miscalculated for the lead and there is no average mathematical probability. In poker, after hitting the next card on the table, you decide what to do next. And there are as many accidents as you like. So to win very often will not work.

Zvezda kz · Oct 24, 2019

It is unlikely that you have reached the level of professional poker players. But it is commendable that you already think in terms of a professional poker player at such a young age. I wish you to achieve a high level of poker.
In poker, a lot depends on luck, but your professional level gives you the opportunity to win more often than an ordinary player.

JBGoode · Oct 24, 2019

b1atch said:
Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

As a young player I think that's awesome your starting early. I wish I could say that....

As for the "best always winning".... no, matter of fact, in todays game, since it's such a statistics based game today. Doug Polk actually stated, "In todays game, based off my measured sample size I've concluded that you could play perfect poker. Never making a single mistake, and there is still a 30% chance you will be a losing or break even player."

I can also contest. I just finished up a 5 part study series where we reviewed every hand of my 10th (Final Table Bubble) where I played almost perfect poker. Over the entire 5, 2 hour sections I missed a total of about 8 spots in total....

Being 6th in chips with 10 left, I was dealt AA.... to make a long story short. I took a nasty beat from a player that called my open with 54o, and hit 2 pair.... and even that hand I lost I still played it correctly.... causing me to go bust....

So I hope that answers that question.

MolonAA · Oct 24, 2019

a tournament is 90% lucky and 10% skill,
one year is 90% skill and 10% luck

GrannySmit77 · Oct 24, 2019

Of course the best player doesn't always win. I've seen KK crack AA in an all in preflop several times ( in live games).

MrPokerVerse · Oct 24, 2019

Best player puts themselves in a position to win. With NLHE, that is as good as it gets.

This Fish Chums · Oct 27, 2019

The biggest problem with being the best player at the table is thinking you deserve to win. A lot of people will point to variance/luck to say that the best player doesn't always win, but the fact of the matter is you even without a downswing you can still lose against a table of all lesser players. Because poker has to take people into consideration. And people are different. Yes, you may place the perfect bluff bet on the river, but if 1 out of 8 players decides they're willing to gamble then you're screwed.

SightUnseen · Oct 27, 2019

In poker it takes knowledge and skill to win long term with that added essence we call luck. The cards we're dealt and runouts we get are completely out of our control, where the luck factor comes in. What we can control is how we play the hand we're dealt, we have decisions and our number one objective is to make the best decision possible with the limited information we have available. Will bad players beat good players? Yes! Anyone can win in poker with any two cards, it's the best 5 of 7 cards, not best 2 cards. Better to be lucky than good.

Richardb77 · Oct 31, 2019

Keep playing kid. 7/10 is just not a realistic number. It will balance out no matter how well you play.

terryk · Oct 31, 2019

Good players will always win their share,,,,and bad players will blame the moon for their losses.

wildwildwes · Oct 31, 2019

Does the better player win

i would like to think the better player wins but most of the time the luckiest player wins an that’s how poker is

Iryna Stryzheuskaya · Oct 31, 2019

I think that no one can win in 100% of cases. A good player wins as much money from his opponents as possible with good cards and loses as little as possible money with bad cards.

mtmigmike · Nov 1, 2019

Win 7 out of 10 times, this is a good result, it’s impossible to win all the time, I think there are no such lucky people who win 10 out of 10 times

sibird · Nov 1, 2019

b1atch said:
Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

I think you must wait for another couple of years to enter into poker arena. There is a 18+ requirement for playing anywhere.
Winning 7 out of 10 is a good result but i don't know, how you were allowed to play and how you cash out without fulfilling the age requirement? There are legal bindings.

vavilen_ · Nov 1, 2019

100% \ 0% is set in poker, this is very rare! most often you exhibit (if you play well) having from 50% to 80% to win, therefore there are always chances to lose, and even if you are the best player you will lose all the time, but you can only win by the number of tournaments if you play well and win a lot in 2 -5 tournaments will cover the buy-in of 10 or more tournaments!

Tmoney999 · Nov 1, 2019

The best player does not always win, although he wins more than his opponents uf he is the best one out of all of them. There is to much of a luck factor in poker for the best player in the room to win all the time. He or she has definitely a way better chance of winning, but the luck factor will come into play about 30 percent of the time.

Havik · Nov 1, 2019

There is a lot that goes into this equation. The short answer is that poker varies and strange things can happen. The better player does not win all the time, its just the way poker is. The better poker poker should pull ahead overtime.

Tvorets · Nov 1, 2019

At long range at all times.

Poker Orifice · Nov 5, 2019

GrannySmit77 said:
Of course the best player doesn't always win. I've seen KK crack AA in an all in preflop several times ( in live games).

Maybe the 'best' (or 'better') player was holding the KK ?

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