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Message: [QUOTE="chicubs1616, post: 299497, member: 1708"] The big mistake is calling the bet preflop. The maximum bet I call with middle pocket pairs is 4x the BB, and that is if I am heads-up in a pot against another player. Calling 12x the BB preflop is not a good idea, especially against two opponents, but you know this, so I'm not gonna keep beating a dead horse. 88 is a good hand if you can get in cheaply and either flop a set, an open-ended straight draw, or three undercards. You have correctly identified your problems, which is a sign of a good player getting better. [/QUOTE]