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Message: [QUOTE="zinzan1000, post: 384004, member: 9718"] Nobody has used the phrase Limping in response to the initial post. Let me ask you one question twizzybop. If, like both of your opponents, you found yourself with JJ or 55 in early position, what would you do? Would you fold those hands for the cost of the BB, 100 in chips in both cases. Would you push hard in early position in both cases? This is not a case of....why do you call a big raise but dont make that raise yourself, its about position, its also about disguise as some people have already pointed out. The player wglonion who had pocket 5s played the hand in a solid fashion. Who would know he had trips on the flop, certainly not you. So he achieved what he set out to do. If he had those pocket 5s in the first hand you exampled, and was faced with a 3k plus all in bet, im sure those 5s would be in the bin quick time. But he was faced with a 500 bet and saw value in calling. As for the JJ caller, VIOLET3 well, also early position JJ is not a monster by any means and for me is a coin flip whether i push with it or not when its my turn to act pre-flop. A raise to see where i am at would be a good move, and of course a fold when you would of gone all-in. But they chose to Limp in also like the 55 did, but the difference was that the 55 was 555 by the time you pushed in and there hand was made. Although you were unlucky to lose to JJ with AA, you were not unlucky to lose to 555 with AAQQ JJ made a decision when you pushed all in and they based it on you having AK AQ or lower pocket pair to them. JJ was wrong but lucked out, that one was tough on you but i didnt see anything wrong ( 50% of the time ) with them just Limping in pre-flop. Dont fall into the trap of raise when its your turn to act just to find when you slam in a raise one or more of those who did not raise wont call. You have to mix your play up otherwise those who take the time to watch, will find you to predictable. I am by no means telling you your business, i am just passing on what i have found in the past and what works for me. zinzan1000 be lucky [/QUOTE]

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