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Message: [QUOTE="Bill_Hollorian, post: 388035, member: 5756"] So lets say blinds are 50-100. You have 5000 and I do to. I have J,10 and you bet 400 dollars. The flop comes I assume in your argument you check, I push. You call. I now push when I can beat aces, but fold when I cant. My implied odds: about 10-1. The worst part is by making the call you reward and fulfill the implied odds. You push preflop, I have no implied odds I have to take the worst of it and try to suck out. Thats the difference between pushing preflop and on the flop. If instead check calling the flop push you push first, i only call if I can beat aces. Controllling the pot includes raising, as a matter of fact it may even include over betting. see if you bet 100 it is easy for someone to raise, so you may choose to bet 250, now they would have to raise to 500 and they are much less likely to do so. so instead they call, that is controlling the size of the pot. I look orward to continuing this debate. Bill [/QUOTE]