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Message: [QUOTE="Dorkus Malorkus, post: 399203, member: 6020"] Okay, cheap[B]er[/B] than if he'd led the turn/river (though of course we don't know stack sizes, I'm guessing they're relatively deep). I thought this was obvious, but maybe I should be more clear. Which is why it's more likely that villain is calling with crap. Even most donks will think come the river after a check-check turn something like "ME HAVE GOOD HAND, ME NEED MONEY, ME BET" (except Rob when he flops quads, of course). This is like saying "There are three flush cards on the board, making a flush very likely". He's heads up, and the board has paired 8s and 5s, not as threatening as if Ks and Js had been paired. Yeah, I know donks will call with lots of hands, but it's more likely a boat is out there with a KKJJx board than a 8855x board. Plus, I'm still not buying that villain would try a river c/r given that he's made a boat. I'm referring to his call of the river raise, not the lead out bet. I don't agree with leading the river myself without major reads, and to think otherwise is being a little results-oriented. This all seems very simple to me. Villain shows no aggression (just because someone plays passively you can't always assume they're slowplaying or you'd never bet anything but the nuts), and makes a small river raise that has to be called because (a) it makes no sense given previous action, and (b) Hero is getting good pot odds and only needs to be right about calling something like one in four times to profit (too lazy to work it out exactly). A more interesting problem would be what would hero do here if villain c/r pushed for his last $100 on the river. Then you lose the good pot odds, and the decision becomes far less clear-cut (though the c/r still makes little sense). [/QUOTE]

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