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[QUOTE="Four Dogs, post: 399009, member: 2668"]
I knew you would.;) 
Ok. here goes. 
To start. Why was it necessary to be involved in that mess. You were sandwiched between a raiser and a reraiser with a weak hand. Did you have a plan? If so, I'd sure like to hear it.
So an ace falls on the flop. That's good right? 'Cause you got an ace too. With a pretty darn good kicker. I mean, if you assume that one of your opponents also has an ace, which you should, there ARE only 18 cards better, not to mention the 3 5's and 3 8's. But kleppen checks so you decide to throw $22 out the window with a possibly strong hand behind you. Well, OK, whatever. I guess you musta got all horned up when tverra folded, probably the best hand. But you must have smelled something fishy when kleppen called 'cause you sensible checked back on the turn.
 
Then it happend, you lost your mind. What possible read could you have had on kleppen that made you that sure he was bluffing? I'll answer for you. None. If you were that sure you should have put him to the test. In my opinion, the way kleppin played that hand was indistinguishable from the real McCoy. Would you have been at all surprised to see A8? Not me.
 
Chuck, you described this guy as a complete donkey, and he was. But isn't it possible that you let pride influence your betting? You had dropped $36 dollars into a $133 pot and you were damned if you were going to let this donk bluff you out of it. 
 
You got lucky Chuck. I just don't think your hand was strong enough to take that far.
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