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Message: [QUOTE="BetterThanAvgButNotByMuch, post: 6336807, member: 480921"] First problem is a lot of folks especially beginners shouldn't be playing short handed. It forces you to play too many hands and lets you think you can get away with playing certain hands. So unless you know without a doubt what starting hands you should be playing and from what seat and WHY you play those hands and the discipline to fold hands you shouldn't be playing in those seats then I wouldn't suggest playing short handed, issue #1. To the hand: You're playing 1/2 cent. Utg raises it probably raised with Ace x. the next one raises to 18 cents so that's [B]9x the BB [/B]so UBER BIG ALARMS SHOULD BE GOING OFF!!!!!!! Even playing at such a low level, I'd say they're doing it with tens+ and the tighter your read on them then its going to be JJ, QQ, KK or AA. The utg more than likely had Ax so I'm not a fan of them having aces and Ak even short handed and definitely not AQ since you have two of the ladies and that's a really out there play with AQ by raising so much so its basically KK or JJ. Could it be a 7s-9s? I don't think so with a 3bet like that, even at that level they should recognize that you're going to have a lot of overs on the flop so its not the right idea to bet so much unless they're just an aggressive clueless donk but you might run into that person at that level, lol. The other thing is when they raise like that they're raising that way because UTG gave info that they had a hand. [B]THAT'S THE WHOLE KEY TO YOUR HAND HERE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR HAND OR THE RESULTS. [/B] Its like you're so focused on [B]YOUR [/B]hand, that YOU lost with a premium hand that you're not paying attention to the positional play and all the information that was given to you. This is what you need to work on: pay more attention to position and what your opponents are doing!!!! [B][U]They were going after the UTG since they raised and guessed UTG had a hand and you weren't on their radar until you called, lol.[/U] [/B]That's not a steal attempt or some silly play raising that much. When they're raising like that its a complete give away that its something really, really nasty unless they're just an uber clueless bingo donk. When you call it I bet it was a surprise to them and they were happy. So the flop is 244 rainbow. They're not raising to 18 cents with 2s or A4. They cbet so that won't give you any info but before you enter the hand should recognize its going to cost you 18 cents plus a continuation bet of at least half pot or a pot sized bet to see how they play the turn to get any info on what they have. You're talking about 18+9cents/3cents is 9 orbits or 18+18=36cents or 12 orbits and you WILL STILL HAVE ZERO INFO ON THEIR HAND UNLESS YOU DID WHAT I DID EARLIER TO PUT THEM ON A HAND!!! Putting out 9-12 orbits and not knowing where you are isn't going to be profitable in the long run so you have to move away from just looking at what you have and work on situational poker ie what your opponents are doing and telling you. Another clue that they have a monster is they didn't bet the pot but [B]2x the pot [/B]so they told you what they had preflop and again on the flop. And again, unless they're uber, crazy bingo aggressive donks then they're playing the two cards they have and telling you its something very nasty and you have to listen!! The rest of the streets are meaningless. Their hand was made before the flop and they told you so. The rainbow board and it developing into a straight or flush is meaningless. The only reason why you haven't shoved is because you're scared of a King or Ace coming but you're not considering that they already might have them in their hand. You're just going by what you see and not going by what's happening. I'm sounding like a broken record, lol so I'll stop. Recap: Consider what I said about playing shorthanded and starting hands, unless you feel like you know starting hands and what position to play them from then ignore this. Work on your understanding of position and the benefits of position like the info you could gather before entering a pot Work on preplanning a hand. You should have realized that pot was going to cost a lot in BBs to play. And I want you to start seeing thing in terms of BBs and how many hands you're giving up to play hands like that. You should be going by how many BBs you won and not by how much in cash you won. Go by the BBs to highlight how much a hand is going to cost you and what you're going to give up to play a hand, or how many orbits around the table you're giving up put another way. I think that might make you see things a little differently. Uber long post, GL. [/QUOTE]

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