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Message: [QUOTE="robwhufc, post: 387267, member: 4289"] Sorry 4dogs (and sorry Bill!). It was 50% don't understand the answer and 50% dont understand the terminology. To deconstruct the post (sorry again Bill!) [B]Big pairs have very different objectives pre flop and on the flop and later streets.[/B] Eh? The objective pre-flop, on the flop and post flop is the same, to win the pot. Until it's obvious you're behind, you should assume you're in front with an overpair. Nothing on the board would suggest this wasn't the case, only the betting of your opponent. [B]The bet was good but when he takes it to 21 go ahead and toss it.[/B] Even though you are getting 5/2 pot odds? - JL's liability on this hand is capped at $29.50, so it's not going to be an overly expensive chase. Also it's $14 to call, not $21. [B]I will work on pot control, and being willing to toss these hands early, if the pot appears to be growing unmanagable. [/B] If you've got the best hand, then you should try and win as much as you can with it. If the pot is going to become "unmanagable" then you are playing at too high a limit. [B]I will be willing to jeaprodize my entire stack on a set or better. An open ended straight with a flush draw. An open ender or flush draw with one pair.[/B] Understood, but does this mean you should give up a hand which you are likely to be ahead on the information you have just because you've run into resistance? This is a short handed table, at low level and JL has no "form" for opponents to pick up on. His options are simple - call/all - in (pretty much same thing) and get 5/2 odds for a hand that at the moment is only behind a handful of cards (and is ahead of most of the "likely" holdings), or fold. [B] [/B][B]Tptk and over pairs, give implied odds, they dont get them.[/B] Dont understand what is meant, and dont see what implied odds have to do with it - JL has got 5/2 odds, these will alter only very slightly when he goes all-in, and thats that! And what is Tptk? [B] [B]I realize that one pair is a long term loser, and promise to never go broke after the flop with them. [/B] [/B]Maybe, but this case is specific - you've got overpair, it's a small table (so winning hands will generally be weaker), and you've got easily sufficient pot odds to call. Bill, if you're still on this thread, I think your advice may be valid for a 10 handed high stakes No limit game at the Bellagio, but did you take into account pot odds, JL's stack size, the short table and the low limits when you did your reply? If you did, what sort of hands do you think are callable at this level in this situation? [/QUOTE]

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