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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6191145, member: 305911"] What was the sizing of the villains 3 bet as I think your 4 bet might be a little large. This is actually 25 NL if the blinds are .10/.25 so we have 270 ish BBs and the villain has us covered meaning this is an extremely deep hand. Also what are feeling about villain at this point as in how tight or loose are they? If they are never calling a 4 bet with AJ or AQ then I am not sure the 4 bet is the best move. I know we are deep and we have a strong hand but if they are only calling with hands that are beating us like 1010+ and no AJ, A10, AQ or random other 3 bet hands then I think calling their 3 bet and playing the hand in position with a hand that flops well will play better. As played, I think this is a great spot for a down bet and not a larger bet as you made. Checking I think isnt terrible and I dont mind it but I would rather bet the flop and keep control of the hand and pot control the turn (which will be easier to do here if we bet then if we check). I like a bet of 10-12 here where it screams what our 4 bet pre flop screamed which was I have QQ+ and want to get value from you but dont want you to run away now either so Ill go small and try to entice you to hang around. The $18 bet makes you have 33 or your starting 68 already in and leaves you valuing yourself and getting yourself stuck in the hand. With villain going all in it again depends on what we think of villain but if we are not seeing maniac in them then we have painted the picture (although a little blurry of a picture with the bigger bet sizing) that we have a big pair here and they are still jamming over us. Unless you have a specific read that they are capable of calling a 4 bet with AJ and then jamming over a bet that puts villain from their shoes half all in already then I think this is a fold and you walk away from the train wreck. Would I call... No What do I think they have... very likely something that beats us and more than likely a big pocket pair that was just hoping no ace flopped and then their plan was to go with it. A five bet here by villain would probably really narrow their range so when they saw your 4 bet was close to a quarter of your stack they decided they could call pre and get all the chips in fairly easily post flop. [/QUOTE]

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