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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 7152037, member: 397965"] Especially with the full pot sizing I think, this is a flush far more often than a straight. The only 8X, that really makes sense, is 98. But that hand got there on the turn, so there has to be at least some frequency of it waking up on the turn. And if it just check-called the turn, then why lead river for full pot, when it now loses to a flush and chop with another 8? So I actually think, not having a club in our hand is really important here. There are 3 combos of QQ, but only this one does not have a club. So its not like, we are folding everything, just because we fold this combo. We should have a flush ourselfes a decent amount of the time and many other hands with a single club, which are better bluff catchers than top set with no club. [/QUOTE]